I am wondering if there are many out there who have been at this for a while and are not seeing results. Is it possible to eat two much fat or not drink enough water or not sleep enough to hold on to pounds of body fat. These small factors in a logical mind could not possibly cause someone to hold on to ten plus pounds of unwanted fat. I know it feels great, but continuing to gain weight, adding cellulite and not being able to shake it seems to be the trend for many women and some men. Can longterm ers please comment on what point in time if ever did they start to lose and become as thin as the poster children of this diet. I am not trying to stir anything up, would really appreciate some truth, as I see many struggling.
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Permalink Reply by hellcat on Really? I think people with an ED exactly need to hear this! I know that my ED caused me to lose a lot of muscle/strength... which I'm still trying to get back.... besides when you shift your focus to strength and muscle (while being adequately carbed up), suddenly "weight" doesn't matter anymore. It all becomes about how many handstands you can do, how long you can stay in a yoga posture, how far/fast you can run, etc.....
Permalink Reply by Lilah D. on I have to post this! Every single diet works for someone, If you haven't noticed.. Everybody is unique. Inside our body of course, Is the same... Hmm.. Where am I going with this... I have found I LOVE High carb lifestyle, But I can't do the raw thing. I have the exact same great results from eating Low fat cooked vegan! I've only done it for like a week, And no bad side effects! If it's healthy for your body, and lifestyle.. You'll see results. You'll just feel right. (: I am probably gonna get kicked off for this..... Google "McDougall Program for maximum weight loss" It's a lot like this, Just cooked. Latterr (;
Permalink Reply by Superhuman on i believe that there is one diet for us we are just in different degenerate stages of health
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Every single diet works for someone...
No, they don't. Paleo works for no one. Just as one example. Some people think that weight loss or other visuals are the sole condition of whether something 'works' or not, but this is laughably ignorant. In terms of health - actual, holistic health, the only way to go is in-line with our biology, and this means high carb, low fat, low protein, no animal products. That is the diet that works, for holistic health. Cooked is fine, in a bind, raw is far more optimal.
I have the exact same great results from eating Low fat cooked vegan! I've only done it for like a week, And no bad side effects!
I'm sorry, but one week is not long enough to hand in your verdict on any lifestyle.
Permalink Reply by Superhuman on agree
Permalink Reply by Jessie James on I think many of us struggle for a few key reasons. First, many of us come from a calories restriction background. After a lifetime of starving the body, it isn't going to shed the pounds lickity-split. Second, many of us are not 100%. We may eat cooked vegan foods, sodium, fat or don't eat enough. Third, successful LFHC vegans are extremely active. This is just from my casual observations of this board. I am on my fourth month HCLF and my clothes are snugger but I don't care. My skin is looking amazing, my PMS and period pain are less each month, I don't require deoderant anymore... I am slowly eating more fruit, less cooked carbs, sleeping like a champ, getting more exercise and could not be happier. Get over the weight gain and focus on the benefits! If you worry about it the body will never let it go.
Permalink Reply by eventhorizon on your not struggling if you go from underweight to normal weight
Permalink Reply by Adam on Alison
It really isn't rocket science, if you aren't losing weight after a year, you are eating too much. Many people who are overweight have very slow metabolisms anyway. Calorie estimations are just that: Estimations. Not accurate. Even by the standard recommendations for calorie intakes, they are based on generalisations that assume certain height, weight, age, gender, protein intake, activity levels etc. Even when calculations are used to estimate requirements more specifically, accounting for the aforementioned parameters, there is still a variance by upto a few hundred calories either way. The whole point of RDAs and RNIs is that they will be sufficient for most people, but not all.
The calorie estimations used here are even less accurate than that, because firstly there was no mathematical calculation based on scientific observations, and secondly this is a new diet to the modern world. It is a different kind of diet, based on lower protein intakes with unusual amino acid profiles, it is much higher in fibre, water and micronutrients, as well as simple carbohydrates than people are used to. And there is no recorded history to date of people having done this diet before long term. So we are pretty much trying to use what is possible to guestimate based on personal experiences. Until there are more people who eat this way long term documenting their own experiences of how they managed to make it work for them, and until someone gets enough interest to do some clinical and epidemiological research on the diet, we can't hope for exact accuracy, that would just be unreasonable and irrational.
The 2500 calorie per day for male/3000 calorie per day for females accounts for the fact that people (on average) seem to struggle with eating enough initially to maintain weight, not to lose it, because of the lower protein intake. And many people also struggled to feel satiated on lower calorie intakes, because of the lower protein. It is well documented that there is a relationship between protein and energy intake (the P:E ratio) And that the more protein people eat, the less calories they need to maintain weight, whilst the less protein people eat, the more calories people tend to need. And that specifically, it is carbohydrate calories that play the major determining role to lower protein intakes, since they have a sparing effect, reducing the breakdown of muscle protein for energy.
But it cannot and will not be adequate for everyone: No estimation can be, even with the very best use of mathematics, science and research, which. So especially when that is lacking at present (for obvious, understandable and excusable reasons), estimations will be unreliable for everyone.
If people are struggling to maintain a healthy weight therefore, and want to make this diet work for them, then they need to get smarter and start using more common sense, and more curiosity about nutrition and physiology, to work out what might be going on. If you ain't losing weight, you need less calories. If you don't feel satisfied on less calories, you need more protein. How do you do that on a low protein diet? Through higher protein fruits (use cronometer or nutritiondata.com to find out which these are), higher protein greens (use cronometer to find out which these are) and small amounts of nuts and seeds.And they need to do more weight training to improve their metabolic functioning, as well as making sure to get enough sleep and relaxation, in order to reduce their levels of catabolic hormone production (which increase protein requirements).
The reality is that most people are here not just because they want to lose weight. There are plenty of fad starvation diets, dieticians and government healthy eating guidelines if people just want to lose weight. Most people are here because they like the idea of eating a natural, simple diet, which is high in micronutrient density, and is a conscientious choice for animals, the environment and our relationship with the planet.And because they are curious about trying something different.
So there is a basic assumption that if people are here, and they are trying to stick with a raw diet after a year of poor results, then they have to be commited to more than just weight loss. They must surely be here because something about the diet works for them and they like it. So if they want to make it work, then they need to get more curious about what they need to do to make it work.
If people still find it hard to lose weight when they experiment with lower calorie intakes, and/or cannot find a way to feel satiated, then they would do well to consult with someone who can help them to explore more personalised reasons for what might be going on: Eg. genetic polymorphisms, poor phase1:phase 2 liver detoxification balance, heavy metal toxicity, food sensitivities, hormone imbalances, chronic nutritional deficiencies. But most people will be able to get good results just with simple dietary adjustments to their current approach to eating a raw diet.
Take care
Adam x
Permalink Reply by eventhorizon on "Most people are here because they like the idea of eating a natural, simple diet, which is high in micronutrient density, and is a conscientious choice for animals, the environment and our relationship with the planet."
I like it. Losing weight is not everything.
Permalink Reply by Tarah @ 40 Below Fruity on Adam,
She has not been doing the lifestyle for a year. Her previous posts point this out, and it has been stated in this discussion.
You know we don't advocate for caloric restriction here on 30bad.
The simple fact is: Eat more to live more. I've been living this way for two years and I haven't gained a pound because of eating too much fruit. There are often other lifestyle factors that come into play.
I went 40 days without a bowel movement back in December due to extreme stress and gained around 10lbs. If I were to then blame it on the fruit, I'd be doing the same as Allison - Giving a half assed go at the lifestyle and then claiming that it doesn't work for fitness and weight loss.
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