OK, I'll admit I do not have all the facts, but does it seem right that Lance Armstrong is being barred from the iron-man based on new charges that he doped in the Tour De France, the last one he was in was what, 7 years ago? Especially when he supposedly passed the drug tests at the time?
I'm against people using dangerous and/or unfair techniques to gain advantage in sporting competitions but if a person passes drug tests what can you do? It seems that they ought to test Lance Armstrong now if they are worried about him doping, but if he passes the tests, I don't get what all the furor is about. If he was somehow cheating the tests, that's on the testers as far as I'm concerned. Then they would need to... I don't know, hire security to follow him around for several days prior to the test or something. But then they'd have to make that part of the agreement for all participants, in whatever competition.
It just seems like maybe they are flogging a dead horse here. Either he doped and got away with it, or he didn't, but that was years ago, why are they slamming him now? Does he have a really ascerbic personality? It just sounds like someone really doesn't like him.
I worked in the industry.
I can assure you that doping is PREVELANT (wink wink) at this level. If you're aware of what these guys' output is charging up & down the pyrennes (sp) during the Tour De France etc then it's really no mystery. It's part of why a 25yr old pro cyclist looks like they're in their 40's!!
NO-one is cheating per se as they are ALL doing it. The term 'drugs' is often used and I always felt this was unwarranted. It's not like they're sticking needles in their arms or anything.
Historically the've always been a couple of steps ahead of detection ... that gap has closed. It is what it is.
I am wondering about doping and you said its prevelant in the industry..everybody are using drugs? - What kinds..what is it really that makes them so fast? I've heard durianrider talk about how everybody uses b12 injections but i didn't think of thank as doping...
Based on what you're saying, the entire professional sport can be considered irrelevant/ a farce. The only guys who perform well enough to win are the guys that are willing to take PEDs in addition to training hard. Are drugs the main difference between a pro like Lance and a guy who just barely didn't make it into the competition? Lolol.
"irrelevant / a farce" is based on your 'utopian' wish. (?)
We're talking big money.
PED's do NOT make a level playing field when it comes to talent. Everybody can just go harder for longer. Talent's always going to shine. Again, he. did. not. cheat.
Holy guacamole!! our very own fruity cyclist just did a video on this!!
I haven't been here long but I'm still waiting for something I can refute from this guy HA!
And Sr Csere, thanx for the input I've seen here from you re this lifestyle. And everyone else. Much appreciated!
I think that if he doped then he should be punished, regardless of how long ago it happened or how prevalent PEDs were at the time. As a professional athlete he had a personal responsibility to fans/sponsors/race organisers etc to race clean, not just to test clean. If he was found guilty now and stripped of one or more TdF titles then it would be a fantastic demonstration of that principal for people entering the sport. But you're right that plenty of people don't like him, especially outside the US.
If don't dope, you will not cope..
LOL! "Durian Cochran" Defense Atty! :)
That's what I figured, so I'm thinking that Armstrong's personality pissed someone (people) in that body off and they are hounding him out of revenge/spite.
It reminds me of when the U.S. congress was getting all wound out about steroids in baseball and spent millions of dollars investigating it. Really? That's more important than like spending that money on research for a real food pyramid, or sending more kids to college, or start up money for some green businesses?
Like you said doping is not good, not good for people to do health wise, but they're all doing it so why single out this or that person. And people who do not dope, if they can still compete at that level, can feel really good about it.
I am for a level playing field, but as you pointed out, they can all access the drugs, techniques, so I suppose in that sense it really isn't a matter of an uneven playing field.
Still, I'd be unhappy if my kid did any sort of doping, health is too important to squander.
Can't remember the exact year....1991 maybe...Jordan decided to put on weight, and part of his commitment was to have his "trainer" travel with him, ( Bulls paying for it of course, which pissed off his teamates and why it was written about) You really need a trainer at every game, etc to tell you how to lift weights and eat a clean "SAD" diet......hahahaha
Imagine what would happen, if it came out that a marketing supernova was not natural? It's genetics bro....riiiiiiiiigggghhhhtttt.
I'm not against guy's using the stuff.....makes for entertainment. It's like auto racing....no auto racing uses regular gasoline, they all use "enhanced" fuels......it automotive doping!
Lance Armstrong Doping Charges: USADA Accuses 7-Time Tour De France Winner Of PED Use
The letter accuses Armstrong of using, possessing and trafficking banned substances including the blood-booster EPO, blood transfusions and steroids. The charges date back to 1998, after he had been declared cancer free but before his first Tour de France victory the following summer.
Does anyone know the politics behind this? If everyone was doping, then why are they singling out Lance?
Lance Armstrong's Tour titles stripped, says UCI
By Julien Pretot | Reuters – 1 hr 39 mins ago
GENEVA, Oct 22 (Reuters) - Lance Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and banned for life on Monday after theInternational Cycling Union (UCI) ratified the United States Anti-Doping Agency's (USADA) sanctions against the American.
The long-awaited decision has left cycling facing its "greatest crisis" according to UCI president Pat McQuaid and has destroyed Armstrong's last hope of clearing his name.
"Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. Lance Armstrong deserves to be forgotten in cycling," McQuaid told a news conference as he outlined how cycling, long battered by doping problems for decades, would have to start all over again. . .
He must have done something to piss off the wrong people.