I have hypothyroidism, and when I started eating kelp/dulse/nori/etc. seaweeds a few days ago, I've had SO MUCH MORE energy, it is ridiculous! Would it be more beneficial to eat seaweed as a whole food (and get my iodine up thus) or take supplements instead? If supplements, what kind do you recommend or that have worked for you?
I realize the seaweed may be contaminated, but it's STILL a whole food. If I'm eating more healthy in general (811lfrv after all!!), I feel as though the toxins, incuding mercury, can be more easily eliminated. I also don't want to lose the benefits of eating whole foods, naturally! :D Suggestions?
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Permalink Reply by Jelle on http://www.iherb.com/Maine-Coast-Sea-Vegetables-Sea-Seasonings-Orga... This product does contain iodine but I don't know if it contains Iodide, according to this article it does contain Iodide. It also contains sea salt, witch is a toxic for the human body. One serving is 1.5 gram with RDA 240% Iodine (guessing US RDA 100% = 150 micrograms) so the produce contains only 360 micrograms of Iodine. (compared to 12.5 mg (milligram) 12500 micrograms in Iodoral.
See vegetables are not recommended on 30BaD, but I'm giving it some though. If we start eating Kelp it is probably coming from kelp forests and they are important parts of the ocean, customer demand will probably destroy those forests as with almost everything we do in our oceans. The sea has become a dumping place for toxic wastes and organisms like kelp are the filters of the sea, by eating those filters, we are exposing ourself to these toxins we are trying to eliminate... Now this is all speculation, since we don't have data where our bought Kelp is coming from and how much toxins they contain...but common logic suggests to avoid them and all other sea foods.
Still I don't know what is best... I am not an expert :)
Permalink Reply by ednshell on See vegetables are not recommended on 30BaD, but I'm giving it some though. If we start eating Kelp it is probably coming from kelp forests and they are important parts of the ocean, customer demand will probably destroy those forests as with almost everything we do in our oceans. The sea has become a dumping place for toxic wastes and organisms like kelp are the filters of the sea, by eating those filters, we are exposing ourself to these toxins we are trying to eliminate... Now this is all speculation, since we don't have data where our bought Kelp is coming from and how much toxins they contain...but common logic suggests to avoid them and all other sea foods.
Exactly...sea vegetables these days = toxic, plus the toxic salt. Plus Dr. Graham doesn't recommend them mainly because they have B-12 analogues that can create a B-12 deficiency.
I suspect Dr. Brownstein just hasn't done enough research to come to the conclusion that we don't need salt.
I take both lyposomal and ascorbic vit. C, lugol's j. crows 5% iodine, vit. D or tanning beds in the winter and oral B12. I am convinced of those and that's it. Of course there are plenty of long term 811ers that take no supplements of any kind and are really in great health. You have to research and make the best decision you can, I don't have any more info. on iodine than what you have posted.
Permalink Reply by Jelle on I suspect Dr. Brownstein just hasn't done enough research to come to the conclusion that we don't need salt.
He wrote a book about it: https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Salt.php
Video Salt your way to health part 1 to 5: (David Brownstein, M.D)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfWI4vgZON4 (not really about salt yet)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Os7ln6BOU (8:55 show a nice slide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0CzQWITxlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld19E8Edorw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjqiRmb2gHM (5:05 chloride in the body)
Ow how I love to have a discussion with him about this, I actually liked the video :)
- My opinion: Instead of changing the foods to get the minerals he likes to supplement...
- My opinion: With salt deficiency he actually should say mineral deficiency
Summary part 1: just a list of research summaries
- Selenium
- Folate (vitamin B9, vitamin Bc)
- Vitamin B6
- Melatoni
- Magnesium
- Vitamin D
- Green Tea
- CoQ10 (Coenzyme Q10)
- Vitamin E
- Raspberries
- Vitamin C
- ALA
Part 2:
- Salt can either be refined or unrefined
- Myths of salt: There is no difference between refined table salt and unrefined sea salt
- Myths of salt: A low salt diet is healthy
- Myths of salt: Low-salt products are better for you
- Myths of salt: Salt==hypertension
He uses Celtic sea salt (unrefined)
- He believes its good because it contains minerals... and is not threaded with chemicals
- Part 2 8:55 show a nice slide with the contains of unrefined salts
Part 3:
- He seems to assumes a low salt diet can’t contain enough minerals and vitamins
Part 4:
- I can't figure out if he is meaning Low-Salt as in Low-Sodium(Na) or Low-NaCL
- Also in other parts its unclear if he means salt or sodium
- He recommends 1/4tsp (about 1.5gram) of unrefined salt for every quart (about 0,94litre) of water ingested (guys: 1.5 gram is only a little, so compared to most recipes its nothing)
- 7:26 talks about things Dr. Douglas Graham also said in some presentations (sodium extracellular, potassium intracellular)
Part 5:
- 0:53 He claims that unrefined salt has a right balance between sodium and minerals...
- 5:05 Interesting slide: Salt is 40-50% chloride. Body contains approximately 250gm of salt= 60% chloride = 150gm chloride. (I can't find information if the body actually contains so much chloride and we use it for)
Minerals can't be alive there is no lifeless or alive unrefined salt, thankfully he doesn't go into this a lot.
NaCl is still NaCl.... and if NaCl is toxic for the body so will celtic sea salt be since its chloride 50% together with 33% sodium is 83% NaCl. Witch is kind of lower as I expected. I have read things like 95% NaCl in the past.
Now the questions I got are:
- Will inorganic minerals like in sea salt, be toxic for the human body, or is the bio-availability just low about 10% compared to organic minerals. (humans ain't plants)
- Does the body need chloride and how much? What is the source in fruits and vegetables for chloride? I don't get this, I thought the body doesn't need it. Is he just wrong in part5 5:05?
I will also post this also in http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/salt-sorting-the-hype-fro... since that is my fav. salt(nacl) topic.
Happy procrastinating :D
Permalink Reply by Abbie on So interesting to read people's opinions and experiences of iodine on this thread.
I have recently started taking Lugols iodine to see if if it helps itchy skin/allergic symptoms, after a previous attempt where I went too fast too soon and felt very ill for a few days and had to come off it many months ago. It could indeed be a fungal component- a diagnosis I have been hesitant to assume, but nevertheless seems likely. I would eat seaweed more often, and I actually love it, but the sodium content makes me feel horrible if I am not truly needing it.
I started on microgram dosage and am now up to about 2mg a day. Gradually increasing, and taking it with ~100mg selenium a day. I have noticed that I cannot increase my iodine dosage too fast, or without selenium, as detox(????)/ill feelings get way too intense to conduct normal living. I wish I had the money for a blood test, but for now, the iodine (and/or selenium) seems to be a lifesaver. Gradually seems to be reducing my symptoms over time- albeit I reckon I might have to be quite patient in order to see if it produces clear, substantial results, especially since I am erring on the side of caution. Have some days now where I am almost totally free of symptoms and feel totally normal again.
Totally dig it though, it is a fascinating mineral. I wonder if it has therapeutic effect unconnected to actual deficiency, or whether we do all need more than we think. Hmmm.
Permalink Reply by Jelle on Off-topic from this discussion
I started on microgram dosage and am now up to about 2mg a day. Gradually increasing, and taking it with ~100mg selenium a day.
I just wondered why you where taking a selenium. Why are you taking 100mg (milligrams) of this element. 100mg seems like an insane dosage to me, wikipedia indicates exceeding the tolerable upper intake level of 400 micrograms (ug) per day can lead to selenosis. Please be careful! I occasionally take some Brazil nuts, but they will only contain selenium if they grew on soil containing the element, so again we ain’t sure I am getting any without a blood test...
Permalink Reply by Abbie on OMG, simple case of mistaken unit, 100ug dose!! Apologies! I think I would be dead on 100mg?
UK soils are relatively selenium deficient. Selenosis should not occur so long as you remain within safe limits that can be managed by the body. I did so at this dose (100ug) to load prior to iodine, and during the first stages of taking it. It is well documented that selenium deficiency can lend to problematic effects in higher than normal iodine intakes.
100ug I took for about a month, until I ran out. I still take 4-7mg of iodine per day. I will likely take it again, but at closer to a 50-70ug dose.
I am well aware of the negative impact of believing too much in supplement gumbo. I wish I could eat fruit and steer entirely clear of supplements. But it has had such substantial effects that I only do it because it means I can live a pretty normal existence, hold out a job etc.
Permalink Reply by Kotryna on Does anyone know about glycerol in Lugol's? In LT we don't seem to have an original formula, any iodine solution contains some kind of alcohol - ethanol or glycerol. I've got one with glycerol, it's really sticky and viscous and it's concentration is 12.5 mg/ml. It has a sprayer and I'm wondering how much should I take? I was hypothyroid before goin 811 and my ATPO was still above the normal range last time I checked (although TSH is normal). I'd looooove to heal completely and I'm wondering if iodine would help.
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