I am tired of worrying about my belly, wondering whether it's bloated, whether it's fat, whether i'm eating too many calories or too many bananas, whether it's candida etc..
And I noticed it' s a lot of women on this forum (and everywhere!!!) who face this issue..
Before we start restricting calories and feeling bad all the time, hiding our curves..
maybe we need to clarify one point:
how healthy and NORMAL is it for women to have a flat belly, and have it flat all the time too?
i had a flat belly, most of my life...
Was I healthy? Not really!!!
Was it flat all the time? No, I looked pregnant right after a meal, and then it'd go away..
Now it's a different matter.
My belly looks pretty round all the time.
it's a bit better in the morning, but it hasn't been flat in 2 months now..
I'm not gaining weight. I'm still thin (normal, not skinny).
I'm not getting FAT. My belly doesn't hurt.
Whatever it is (fat, yeast, candida, bacteria, IBV), it is not painful.
I'm not bloated anywhere else except for my belly.
And then, is it really bloated? Or is it just chubbier and a bit more plump ?
Are we meant to have muscles there, as lots of men can?
Should I keep doing more crunches?
What is WRONG really? Should we even try and fix this?
So i had a look around..
* Old paintings of Eve all show her to have a curve there.
It's not fat. It's not a pregnant-belly. but she's definitely round there and all paintings show her that way so it must be what the norm was, when thinking of a perfect creature, she was God's most perfect creation after all, before she sinned, or wasn't she?
** Tribal women... young ones: no flat belly there again..
*** Old paintings of beautiful thin women, all with a round belly..
... We know from this forum wisdom that bodybuilding women can only keep a super flat belly for only so long, cause it's not healthy to have all those muscles there on a regular basis and such little fat.
We need a bit of fat there..
It's how we store it for a rainy day (or for a baby!)
So.. I think it's safe to say that a flat belly is probably not the healthiest thing on the planet or something we should pursue as a symptom of being healthy.
i've never felt this good and energetic and yet i've never had such a "bloated", "chubby", bigger than I used to belly...
Should I now try to restrict calories, eat less fruit, go back to beans and low energy so I can have my flat tummy back? (and all the many health issues i also had back then) ?
or should we make peace with a rounded belly?
Any added fact/opinion on this would be very welcome...
cause i'm going a bit nuts trying to figure out what could be "wrong" with me...
Using people who are unhealthy (most people) as a reference point for what is healthy isn't really very logical.
Posts like this annoy me on here. Why is it that having a meaty butt is "hott" but not a meaty gut? Give you a clue, societal programming. I've heard women store fat in arms and thighs too, but who cares?
Just live a healthy life (sleep, water, sugar, exercise, stress management-as in not stressing about your image, etc.) and let your body look however it ends up looking as a result - both short and long term. Better to feel good than look good in my experience. I'm NOT trying to single you out. Like you said, a lot of other people on here raise weight questions, so this goes out to them too. Plus, you're raising health concerns, so your intent isn't solely about vanity.
I'm no doctor, but I think you're fine. It's probably just all the water and food matter in your digestive tract. I know you said this used to go away in the past on a different diet, but perhaps the food you were eating then was dehydrating and sucked in your extra water weight around your belly as a result (like a sponge absorbing water). I really don't know, I'm just spit-ballin.
For me, the bottom line is I'd rather associate with people who care about themselves, not about their reflection.
My pet peeve is also that a woman with pudge is called fat, and a guy is called built:(
The creatures who should probably carry a little extra pudge, especially during child bearing, are held to almost impossible standards, and standards that are not healthy long term.
Mathyou, you are correct! We should just stick to our guns and see how we turn out! Well said! however, I hope you can go there with me for a minute and consider the pyschological (not even to mention emotional and physical) pain women go through by being judged and trying to measure up! Men have this issue too, but their virility is not on display like our beauty! We're on display and constantly being judged.
I am an empath and I can literally feel the disapproval, jealousy and whatever else is being sent my way in energy. I used to use heavy vegan foods to numb myself from that pain! I am learning to deal with that. It's very painful. Please add this information to your understanding. If you have a person in your life that seems oversensitive about body image, please try to consider that there may be more to it than just a dress size and advertising. Please respond if you care to.
Men have this issue too, but their virility is not on display like our beauty! We're on display and constantly being judged.
I have to disagree with this. In our society, men are held to just as impossible standards as women, and it is just as in-our-face and constant as it is for women. We're supposed to be financially successful, tall, strong, muscular, with square jaws and a full head of hair. We're supposed to be non-emotional, 'tough', 'manly', etc.. It's only in this last generation that we've even begun to accept sensitiveness, compassion, etc., as belonging equally to men. Most women still subscribe, even if subconsciously, to attraction to 'successful' men (in the standard societal sense of success). Thus there is pressure for men to 'live up to' equally impossible standards, just as there is for women.
I'm a 'skinny' man, and always have been. And like you, I have always dealt with the 'feeling'/'energy' of disapproval and such - both mockery (open or veiled or merely energetic) from 'manly men' and dismissal/judgments from women. However, over the last several years I've shed any concern with how people view my body and now own it. I'm lean, and love it! And now the disapproval and 'energy' from people has completely shifted. I have many more women attracted to me than I ever have had, despite my body not having visually changed one bit for the last 10 years. The 'energy' you/we feel will only exist so long as you/we exude the complimentary force to it - i.e. so long as we buy into those judgments on some level. Once we ourselves shift no amount of negative energy from others can penetrate us, and our sensitivities are allowed to rest. For an empath, that ability to truly rest/relax and not face the negative energies of others is a godsend.
So, my main point: we're all in the same boat - men and women - and we all need to realize just how ridiculous all of these standards are. What we need is to be ourselves, and own it!
I have read that raw fruits and veg hydrate old matter in the intestines from all the food residue (except fruit & veg as that is the only food that leaves the body completely) that you have eaten over your whole life. So, however many years-worth of grains, beans, animal products, junk, whatever, leave a residue in your intestines which dries and solidifies and eating a fruit diet hydrates this, giving it more bulk and then allowing it to be crapped out. I don't know if this is true but it certainly seems to fit how people can be slimmer elsewhere but bulkier in the lower (and not upper) abdomen, perhaps until they have been 100% 811 for a couple of years or so. Obviously, all the years of eating stuff other than fruit leaves considerable residue takes more than a few months to clear, it's a gradual process. The only way I can see of speeding it up is to eat heaps of juicy fruit so you crap more!
Does anyone know if this is true? Although I don't see it happening to guys and surely it would, if it were true? Unless guys just generally have stronger digestive systems or something. Thoughts?
Bingo! I think this is spot-on insight.
And i have your SAME question. If what you argued is true, and I'm sure it is,
WHY Doesn't it happen to men too?????
My partner eats WAY more cooked food than me and though he's been vegan and on 811 for a year now, he never gets a bloated belly !!!!
So what's the deal? Is it a woman/man issue? That's what i'm trying to understand with this post too..
"gah this would be great to work out!"
Indeed!!!!! And by the way, I have been going more to the toilet myself lately. And maybe it's because i've been eating tons of oranges, which have a lot of water, so they can clean us more from the waste in our gut, so maybe that's why i've been more bloated lately...
Women are more generally more emotionally sensitive than men, sometimes. Please try to look at other reasons beyond purely physical ones. Sometimes old hurts and regrets are stored there, too.
Women are more generally more emotionally sensitive than men, sometimes.
No, men are expected to be less sensitive, and have been trained to be from birth. We're not actually less emotionally sensitive; we've just been brainwashed into fighting it with all our strength. Most people don't realize the amount of vital energy it takes 'manly men' to maintain their protective shell of emotional impenetrability. This is why most, if not all, 'manly men' have psycho-emotional issues, and why (and I'm sure many women can back me up here) they tend to finally reveal the undeveloped child within once they perceive that they've gained someone's trust (most often in relationships).
The emotionally available and balanced man is the real man. The rest is smoke and mirrors.
Jon Fergus I TOTALLY agree. :)
they also don't eat much...
my friend's sister works as a model on occasion and when she has photo shoots she sometimes can't even drink water until after the shoot, simply for the belly to be flat...