I recently watched Michael Arnstein's lecture on Ultramarthons/runs,which he gave @ WSFF. It was a good watch, but thought he came across as tired and a bit uncomfortable, a he kept huffing and his body language was a bit uptight-but i thought it was still a good lecture & he has a good sense of humour.
I am in no doubt his achievements r due to his diet and training, but was quite surprised when he said that if he is near the end of an ultra race and not leading, he will drink cocacola to give him the extra spurt he needs to try and improve his placing-i.e try and catch the guy in front. He also said he will eat the cornsyrup they supply at races, if needed, as he couldn't expect them to supply dates, but has to take a gas pill to counteract the bloat & gas he gets from this.
He said he's not totally comfortable taking stimulants in races but the importance of winning takes over, as this then means the profile of 811 is raised/given more publicity. Though may explain why his weak area is sleep, which he admitted he needs to work on. I also think he mainly keeps to highwater fruits, not sure if he eats bananas-which may also explain this. DR says personally although he can beat loads of people, those taking stimulants with a similar fitness will always have an advantage, but in the long run DR will have long-term health.
What's everyone's opinion on this?
No disrespect to Mike, afterall, we're just talking about refined sugar & caffeine, but has winning taken precedence?
Permalink Reply by Jack on If you read his race diaries, no, he doesn't have people handing out datorade to him. That's a big part of the issue. Often, he's racing alone, no team. At least in the race diaries he's posted here. I could be wrong, but I don't think he's done a single 100 mile ultra with support from start to finish. He has to rely on what he comes across. Not perfect, but he seems to do fine nonetheless.
Maybe it'd be time to start a Michael A. racing team, volunteers supporting his races?
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Permalink Reply by Derek on My personal goals are timed goals. I'm not too concerned with my placing but if I hit my goal or a personal best then that's what I'm going for.
Different strokes for different folks.
Permalink Reply by Jilayne Jones on Speaking of races, does anyone know what DR's wins are? I'd love to know names of races + his times. I have a friend who is *nearly* convinced that veganism is the way to go if you are an athlete, and I think if i provide him with some hard numbers about DurianRider's wins, he might be more compelled to give this diet a shot.
If y'all could point me in the direction of specific videos where DR is talking about specific races he's won, that would be great! I know he's won a bunch.
Permalink Reply by Eli on Well, yes, his goals on winning is important due to the fact a large reason for it is to get attention on his diet that has been fueling him such a healthy lifestyle. This is not only for the WIN for himself he is doing.. it's to get more people noticing what a plant-based diet can do. Same reason why fruitarianism is a perfect term to coin for our 811 diet, it leads to less questioning and a more easily fashionable name than "lfrv" or "hcrv" or "80/10/10".
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Permalink Reply by ednshell on Permalink Reply by Eli on And then you may say, wha does he eat during his training days and in 2:30 marathons, and how in the world did he build up to be running 100 mi + on mainly fruits and vegetables?
Ednshell is right, for example he could be rejecting to use salt pills because it is not natural and end up losing himself with hyponatremia. Yes, overt salt is "unhealthy, and unnatural" but neither is a 100 mile ultramarathon!
Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on Ive got a race in the morning. A marathon here in Thailand. There is 1000$ up for first place and I have a genuine shot at it IF I get some gear. Otherwise I will be lucky to break top 10. I was on the bus with some Kenyans and tried to get some info out of them what 'special' things did they have. One runner said 'we dont talk about that even amongst our team mates let alone strangers we have just met.' These guys are racing so they can eat. Im racing to promote eating better. I changed the subject after that. Kenyans LOVE talking about ugali as much as they love to eat it. Ugali is corn and water.
If you want to win big races, you MUST use something other than fruit and water lol! That comes down to personal choices. So what is happening in sports is that vegans are typically health conscious and do not typically use the same stuff as race winners use. So you can dope or you can run as a back runner and people can make fun of your diet when you dont win everything you enter.
Here is the good reminder. People are so out of shape that if you get in shape then you can beat 99% of people in your chosen sport. I know in cycling I can out ride 99% I go riding with so I dont need to red bull up.
Permalink Reply by Isa on I take it your saying DR that as a HCRV u can beat 99% of people but when u want to beat that extra 1% there is a personal choice to be made i.e can only be done with stimulants.
Does is make sense to use stimulants to raise the profile of this lifestyle (as Mike explained in his talk) or is this promoting unrealistic achievements through HCRV?
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