hey yall, just read this article. love to hear what yall think.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/how-green-smoothies-can-deva...
I don't like green smoothies myself. I like to eat greens. I hardly ever blend greens in smoothies if at all.
Permalink Reply by Reed on This article targeting only green smoothies is completely bunk. Why? Because hundreds of healthy foods contain "High" Oxalate Levels. This includes many fruits, almost all nuts and seeds, beans, many vegetables and most grains. Healthy people with no gut inflammation absorb very little dietary oxalate. Only a 1-2% absorption rate while people with severe leaky gut and inflammation can absorb as much as 50%. The proper regimen is to eat a healthy diet that doesn't promote leaky gut syndrome then you don't have to worry about oxalates.
Want to see some HIGH oxalate foods? Here's a very partial list and I didn't even count medium oxalate foods that would fill pages of text. I think you know where this is going.
apples
asparagus
beans
beer
beets
berries, various
black berries
black pepper
blue berries
bread
broccoli
celery
chard
cheese
chocolate
cocoa
coffee
cola drinks
collards
concord grapes
corn
cranberry juice
currents
dandelion
dandelion greens
dewberries
dried beets
eggplant
figs
fruit cocktail
green beans
gooseberries
grapes
grits
ice cream
kale
leeks
milk
most teas
mustard Greens
okra
oranges
parsley
peaches
peanut butter
peanuts
pecans
pepper
peppers, green
pineapples
plums
pokeweed
potatoes
potatoes, sweet
preserves
raspberries
red currants
rhubarb
rutabagas
soybeans
spinach
squash
strawberries
summer squash
swiss chard
tangerines
tea
tomato juice
tomatoes
turnips
vitamin c
wheat germ
yogurt
Permalink Reply by Jolita Brilliant on great
Permalink Reply by Rawmama on Humans also synthesize oxalates apparently. It seems also that calcium oxalate is what kidney stones are made of. It needs to bind to calcium in order for the stones to form. I wonder if kidney stones is our bodies manner in removal of calcium carbonate which is basically lime stone typically added to "calcium enriched" foods. Any thoughts? - Colettes other half.
Permalink Reply by Jolita Brilliant on I do not agree with this article, they say: cook your veggies and put butter on…. greens healing properties can not be denied, of course I do not recommend living on greens, but all veggies and fruits contain oxelates and is not a threat to health including greens. she should have also wrote, if you got cancer do chemotherapy and cook all of your greens and vegetables so you get completely nutrient deficient and die faster
Permalink Reply by Chris R. on Thanks for the article.
Here's the anti-article :-)
http://www.incrediblesmoothies.com/green-smoothies/why-green-smooth...
I actually do put either spinach or kale in my green smoothies (whenever I have them). Oddly, I find blended kale produces a milder flavor than blended romaine. I think at the very most I'll now simply be cautious not to over-indulge in the high oxalate greens, though I already never usually put more than a fifth of a pound in anyway.
Permalink Reply by soscipherr on I only just joined the community and seeing this thread totally gave me pause. So I did a little digging and from what I've found, it sounds like unless you already have been diagnosed with a tendency to create calcium oxalate crystals in your urinary tract, increasing your kale intake should not cause any complications.
As far as digestion and calcium absorption goes, I found quite a lot to suggest that one should consume dairy at separate times from kale to maximize the amount calcium you are able to assimilate from the animal sources. BUT as this is a community for those of us who choose not to utilize dairy, I don't think it ought to pose any problems. Kale itself is rather high in calcium.
In regards to super high levels of vitamin K and contraindications with blood thinners like Warfarin, just defer to your medical practitioner and use common sense. For the rest of us, the anti-oxidant cancer fighting properties far outweigh any perceived risks as far as I can see.
Please, if there is something glaringly obvious that I've missed, let me know! I'm in no way trying to say that I'm an expert!
Here is a snippet of one of the many articles I went through to come to my green conclusions. This is from WorldsHealthiestFoods.com (whfoods.com)
Kale and Oxalates
Kale is among a small number of foods that contain measurable amounts of oxalates, naturally occurring substances found in plants, animals, and human beings. When oxalates become too concentrated in body fluids, they can crystallize and cause health problems. For this reason, individuals with already existing and untreated kidney or gallbladder problems may want to avoid eating kale. Laboratory studies have shown that oxalates may also interfere with absorption of calcium from the body. Yet, in every peer-reviewed research study we've seen, the ability of oxalates to lower calcium absorption is relatively small and definitely does not outweigh the ability of oxalate-containing foods to contribute calcium to the meal plan. If your digestive tract is healthy, and you do a good job of chewing and relaxing while you enjoy your meals, you will get significant benefits — including absorption of calcium - from calcium-rich foods plant foods that also contain oxalic acid. Ordinarily, a healthcare practitioner would not discourage a person focused on ensuring that they are meeting their calcium requirements from eating these nutrient-rich foods because of their oxalate content.
Permalink Reply by Stephanie Watson on I don't know much about this topic but I do know that i was eating an enormous amount of green smoothies as well as spinach (which I love) in salads, and developed hypothyroid, which I still have, including a small goiter on my neck. I have lowered my consumption of cruciferous (sp) veggies in general, and no longer drink smoothies or juice with them included. I know a couple of other people who have developed issues with their thyroid, but I am not sure if it's a coincidence of green juice and smoothies or not though all developed it after eating this diet for some time. I still don't think eating butter is necessary, but I do think that juicing and smoothies should be limited and instead eating the actual food should be encouraged. It's not likely to get too much if you're chewing it and eating it. IMO
Permalink Reply by soscipherr on - SW: I have been told by an endocrinologist that thyroid complications especially things like Hashimoto's Thyroiditis secondary to suppressed thyroid auto-antibodies can be a familial tendency which is sex-linked, seeming to be prevalent in females. Any other ladies in your family suffering from thyroid woes?
Permalink Reply by Stephanie Watson on Not to my knowledge. I am adopted on my dad's side so I know nothing about the women in his family but my mom has about every other disease but not this one. My grandmother on mom's side either, she's healthy as a horse. Unfortunately, due to being so dang tired I started taking the Synthroid out of desperation and it is working... I am hoping being more strict with myself on my eating will help though. When all this first happened we back slid horribly and I was sleeping 15 to 20 hrs a day.
Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on 
The demographic the healthy home economist is targeting. ;)
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