Yes, I agree about the salt. I used to use a lot pre HCLF and it was one of the hardest things for me to reduce. And anytime I eat cooked they cravings return....
I guess it depends also on how long you have been following this lifestyle. I'm just guessing, but the people who become energy zapped and don't feel as well, have probably been doing this for a while? I'm still new here, but I feel it doesn't efect me... whether it's a grain or vegetable, I may feel a bit heavy after, but as long as I keep the cooked meal for night time (and eatfresh fruit during the day) it doesn't matter because I don't plan on being active after my last meal. I also tend to add fresh vegetables into the mix, so I might cook organic brown rice, cool it and make sushi (without salt, seasoning... maybe chilli), or my favourite thing, warm rice with edamme (not too much because they are fatty). On the weekend I also made my own saltless rye and spelt bread (to keep on hand) and it tasted fine, even without the salt (though my family didn't like it as much)... but eaten with celery and other vegetables it's really nice. I probably eat cooked food 2 - 3 times a week at the moment.
Interesting comments so far. It'd be interesting to hear what cooked food you have eaten - friend rice from a Chinese restaurant loaded with soy sauce, salt, oil and MSG is for sure different to a boiled potato you prepare at home.
Everyone reacts differently, I'd have very hard time digesting oatmeal.I haven't seen any mention of body temperature rise? The worst I've had is staying up all night drinking water to get rid of the salt, complete lack of energy for the next 24+ hours, shaking hands, nausea and a terrible hangover feeling overall.
Ok, so you want full disclosure with all the gory bits? Lol :)
After 10mo raw (8mo of that 811and on average one cooked vegan meal per month other than a binge phase a few months in lasting a few weeks) my niece(23) invited me to her first ever dinner party. I had decided to only eat the vegetables/salad but when I got there and saw the effort she had put into this evening decided to 'honor her and her effort' and 'accept her gift'. The full gamut of foods I have not eaten in a long time - meat, wheat, dairy, cooked roasted in oil veg. What a mistake! What a lesson learned!
Next day I was trying to prepare for a mid semester test but had such tummy pains...yet was really hungry so it was hard to work out whether to eat or not. Ended up taking panadol that night in order to get to sleep (havent taken panadol in years either). Sooooo much gas/burping! Just couldnt digest any of the food from the day before.
The next day I felt much better and resumed normal food intake. Got home from uni and felt like some OJ so squeezed and drank a litre - set off tummy pains again. Still ate loads of greens later...tummy pains worsened.They worsened to the point of being so severe that I started considering that I may have appendicitis. Then the uncontrollable shakes and shivering started. Huddled in bed and just could not get warm. Teeth chattering away curled in the foetal position. After hours of this pain I finally had to make a dash for the bathroom as I projectile vomited (you said you wanted the worst! had to clean the wall the next day). Slowly started to improve after that and managed to get to sleep probably around 3:30am.
This is something I never want to repeat. i have learnt in so many ways that when I do well by my body it responds beautifully...when I treat it badly it crashes and burns to a greater degree than seems to occur to many other people. On one level this annoys me as I cant have as great a level of leniency/choice as I would sometimes like but on another level it motivates me to keep making good choices for my body and mind.
my friends wanted to go out for dinner the other night to a chinese restaurant... we had just been at school for 6 hours and i only got like 10 mins to eat all my grape stash so i was famished and went. The chef made me a special vegan hotpot with vegetables and fried tofu and I had two bowls of rice plus a bowl of raw cabbage and a raw corn cob. I wouldn't say it made me feel horrible, but i certainly did not feel my best the next day (body temp rose during sleep, sweaty). I assume it was the salt and tofu (there was no msg). And you know what.... I really didn't enjoy it as much as clean, fresh fruit.... the raw corn was the best bit ;)
I've tried oatmeal but it just sits like a lump in my stomach... and you have to eat alot of oatmeal to make the calories in this lifestyle.
It depends of course. Low fat vegan is not so bad. If you run outta fruit - a potato soup with plenty of greens seems to treat me better. It does however leave me wanting fruit, a bit sluggish, and thirsty.
A problem to watch out for when eating cooked food in moderation is that it can lead to more cooked food and soon the eater is moving out of the moderation zone. Cooked food as a dinner meal can help ground out your energy and emotions before going to bed.
The only cooked foods I'd ever eat would be cooked fruit and vegetables. Without salt or oil.. So dried fruit from the store, or a boiled potato. My digestion feels slow and I feel tired, but thats about it.
It's hard to say cooked food in general, because it's so different. I would probably keel over and die if I ate one of those processed vegan boca burgers.... vs slower digestion with a potato.
cooked food always makes me tired after i eat it unless i have a ton of raw food with it - if i eat cooked food with no raw and i can hear my pancreas screaming at me saying you bitch i want enzymes not this dead cook swill.
Ugh. I automatically feel like my nose drips.. or I feel congested.. and tired! My heart actually races when I have the first few bites because it's so addicting.. but then I feel very anxious, confused, guilty. Yeah... no good!
I can get 4lbs of ripe bananas for $1 from the corner store, so I don't have any excuses to not eat raw.