Sometimes I get comments from peers such as what is written below... who can come up with a good response to these claims and his argument?
Ever thought about why vegetarians compare their protein sources to meat? How about the fact that plant based sources fail to compare in nutritional density to meat? Furthermore animal protein (fish and lean meats) is the richest source in BCAAs. BCAAs are potent stimulants for building and repairing lean muscle. Not to mention the fact that plant based sources are often highly processed. Of course a lot of meat is chemically treated as well, hormones and grain fed, etc...therefore I do not recommend going out and eating all the meat you can find; one should be very picky ie: Grass-Fed, free-range meats that aren't treated with hormones. Obviously eating a diet of solely meat is unhealthy. Too much of one thing fails to meet the nutritional requirements of our bodies at the cellular level. The same principle can be applied to vegetables and any other diet based on single factor thinking. Balance and moderation is key. Try some meat. ;)
You will not be able to convince this person of anything while he is where he currently is. You could give him statistics, logic, scientific references, and it wouldn't be enough. You would also likely feel frustrated. Are you an ethical vegan? If so, a simple response about your feelings might be best. If he tries to browbeat you for what you are feeling, he is not much of a friend. If you have chosen this lifestyle for health and happiness, you could tell him that the way you eat makes you happy. What friend wouldn't want you to be happy?
Well first off print off a days worth of nutrients on cronometer and show him how it meets EVERY nutritional requirement. That's just dumb to think it can't. Even if grass fed, you're still ingesting pus cells from milk (from one of Durianrider's recent vids). Ask him why 1/2 americans will get heart disease while only 4% of american vegetarians get heart disease (and that's including the dairy/egg eating vegetarians). As far as BCAAs I don't really know about those even though theres some extremely ripped people on this site so I don't see how that would give an advantage. I'm sure others can help you more.
nutritional density is processable by carnivores who have the tools to do it, but wreaks havoc with humans who don't. this is why eating corpse results in a host of illnesses.
the comment touting grass-fed is missing the point about meat. the hormones may be gone, but the large proteins molecules aren't and they will cause harm.
if you want to learn more about the ill effects of animal protein consumption go here to see specific scientific studies:
if you want to see some short videos by an expert on nutrition go here:
follow the link there to
(you can sign up on that site and ask specific questions too - there are some very knowledgeable people there).
the grass-fed nonsense extends to fictitious environmental fantasies too, so you may want to look at this post:
I just briefly looked it up, I'm on my way out to go to training, but BCAA are "branched chain amino acids", comprising of essiential aminos leucine, isoleucine and valine. They help protein sythesis/help build muscle. I would like to hear more about this too.
This is the first thing I came across...
Not to mention the fact that plant based sources are often highly processed.
They are? Vegetarian/Vegan does not mean automatically choosing the insipid fake meat fake cheese substitutes as if feeling deprived for the 'real' thing! I certainly wouldn't turn to processed crap if I thought I was lacking protein. Quality over quantity, whole foods are where it's at.
They are? Vegetarian/Vegan does not mean automatically choosing the insipid fake meat fake cheese substitutes as if feeling deprived for the 'real' thing!
ya this is a very good point you brought out lucid!
the corpse eaters resort to some really absurd tactics not only to defend themselves but to attack veg.
the processed replacements for corpse parts is just the strawman fallacy:
thx for bringing up this matter!
I say leave it alone completely. Who are you trying to convince...this person, or yourself? Unless you plan to make a career out of it, my advice would be STOP trying to convince other people of these things verbally. Instead, just be a shining example of optimal health. If you spend your time and energy debating people on these issues, even if you are extremely good at it, well, it will eat up a lot of time and energy. In the end, what good will that do for YOUR life? I say be as healthy as possible and spend your time doing the things you love. Have an awesome life and people will start asking you how they can be as awesome as you are. THEN you can tell them to go fruit themselves!!!
I agree 100%.
- The sensible thing is to get nutrition from foods in the right amounts/ratios to support health, not the largest amounts. You wouldn't eat chalk despite it very high calcium content. Nutritional density doesn't equal people food.
- BSAAs are leucine, isoleucine and valine.
Soybeans and lentils trump animal products as the best sources of Leucine. Almonds, cashews and chickpeas are excellent sources of Isoleucine, and peanuts, sesame seeds and lentils are good sources of Valine.
- Plant based sources do not fail to compare in nutritional density to meat! Pound for pound, they are the highest sources of vitamins and minerals.
- Vegetarians either compare their protein sources to meat because they are still of the flawed 'must get lots of protein' attitude, or because they are forced to explain themselves to people who are.
I have found that this is the general response I get when I try to talk to people who eat animals about why it's wrong and unhealthy.
ahahah. yup this is the best response.