Permalink Reply by Whitedi ellen on You really picked up on that one Marco....forget about it. Like you said...pointless...I'm pretty sure she's not even looking for any insight.
Permalink Reply by Justin Morgan on Ok, that makes more sense. I did read the article, but in a way it did kind of sound like you had taken some of the same emotional struggles you had with anorexia and brought them into raw foods as well. Not that you weren't eating, but just that there was an emotional attachment. That's why I asked, and you cleared it up pretty well.
In that case though I think it's more simple than something "subliminal". I just think if you put the right gas in the engine the car will run well. You might find cheaper sources of fuel, but they just won't run the same. That's kind of a guy's way of saying it I guess, but that's how I see it anyway.
Permalink Reply by Kati Sharp on Permalink Reply by Kati Sharp on Permalink Reply by Whitedi ellen on Great answer Justin....I totally get where you're coming from, makes perfect sense to me. I too eat lots of raw fruits/vegs and then in the evenings I have some cooked vegan like a sweet potatoe or lentils/beans fat free of course along side a nice salad. I juice some organic carrots,celery,parsley or red peppers add lemon juice. It's a kick off in the mornings and it makes me feel great. I'm loving this lifestyle....and Durianrider & Freelee gave some very strong messages that I just couldn't ignore.
Permalink Reply by Kimberry on In my experience, anything but fruits and veggies just made me feel physically blah, which led to emotionally blah (like guilt and disappointment as you said, as well as moodiness, depression, etc.).
Ironically, the time in my life when I had eating disorders, about five years during school, I never really ate fruit or veggies (besides lettuce and celery). Didn't even cross my mind. Go figure. lol.
Permalink Reply by Peter Csere on Yes, our bodies are subliminally programmed to like fruits and veggies. Based on your experience you appear to have discovered this. Some people never discover this because they learn to ignore their bodies. If you are eating "normal food" (SAD) then all the health problems and cues must be from something else. So people learn to think that health problems are random and have very little to do with not eating fruit and veggies.
Marco's suggestion that this topic is pointless was pretty pointless, I must say. It reeked of undercarbed-ness. Play nice, children. Even if her topic WAS pointless, you could have gone about saying it in a less pissy manner. Kati, you said you wouldn't feel bad if you had to eat cooked for budget reasons/etc. This makes perfect sense because even though your body has certain things programmed into it (eat mommy's milk and then fruit and veggies, run around, drink water, have lots of sex to spread your genes, etc etc) you can teach yourself to ignore these things when your rational brain decides that they are working against you. So like I said before - some people are able to listen to their bodies when they get that icky feeling. Some people just turn that off. So if you chose to eat cooked food and knew it was your best choice at the moment, you can choose to not listen to your body.
Cats and dogs fed commercial chow are like zombies on the SAD. If you tried to feed them a big acid-filled puree of roadkill and euthanized shelter pets, they wouldn't touch it. But fill it with flavorings and put it in a can, and the "good taste" part of their primitive brain overrides the "is this food?" part. If they did know, they probably wouldn't feel too bad about it, since it is the only food they can find most of the time. There are instances of feedlot animals rejecting GMO feed and the manufacturers having to add flavorings to trick the animals into eating it. Same thing they do with commercial pet food. Their primitive brains are telling them the food is bad. We have a rational brain above our primitive brain that can tell us to ignore the primitive brain and eat the food anyways. Our rational brain can also decide that, even if the "tastes good" part of our primitive brain is firing away, the food is still bad for us based on other signs.
Permalink Reply by Macuilxochitl on Playing games of semantics again, I see :D
(Missed ya, Pete - LOL)
Permalink Reply by BananaBill on Come on now peeps!! We're all on the same side here. Lets not trash each other, instead lets build each other up. I know that is why I come here, for support. Personally, if I think someones post is B.S. I keep my mouth shut. And besides, you all know that it does not feel good to be a jerk to someone or ourselves : )
Kati, I can totally relate! I used to feel guilty too before I even heard about THE RAW LIFESTYLE. I do think that somewhere inside, my body knew that I was slowly killing it. Remember that the body is vastly more intelligent than the ego mind. I knew I was breaking the Natural Laws of health and frankly didn't give a crap till I got sick. If I eat to much fat or ANY salt, I know I'm breaking the rules for myself.
Peace to each and everyone here and thank you ALL for teaching me how to stay strong inside and out.
Permalink Reply by Jade on Eating something unhealthy will make you feel physically unwell and ruin your "high", but you shouldn't be feeling guilty and beating yourself up over it.
Definitely your history is dictating some of these feelings. Please don't beat yourself up over slip-ups, because then what was supposed to be a beautiful, peaceful diet/lifestyle becomes a way for you to torture yourself and destroy your health!
Permalink Reply by Lori Bananas on I feel like this topic turned a lot more controversial than it needed to be!
That said, I really really get where you're coming from. Even when I was vegan with a tendency toward raw, I still felt like there was something really wrong. I loved bread and hummus, and ate them nonstop, along with soups with olive oil and lots of avocado, etc. People would always comment on how "healthy" I was, and I totally felt guilty. I think a lot of those foods also had an addictive quality, and because I knew I couldn't eat unlimited bread or things like that, I felt guilty when I ate any decent portion, or guilty when I wanted more.
I also have a history with eating disorders that still occasionally rears its head, but with raw vegan I feel much safer and have been consuming far more calories with much less worry that ever in my life. Thanks for this post!
Permalink Reply by Luna Leaf on What I see amongst all of this is your eating disorder. Anyone with eating disorders feel guilty about eating foods.
Because fruit and veg. are the cleanest foods, they satisfy your appetite and make you healthy and happy - what else can you ask for.
You've seen the results this lifestyle produces and this fits the picture of the body you want and the way you want to feel.
So now you experience no guilt from the foods you eat.
I've also suffered from eating disorders and this is the diet on which I feel great and can eat guilt-free.
(Erm, is it bad of me to say that I actually feel sorry for people who are not on this diet?)
Peace. x
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