"Nytimes talks about 1/2 assed veganism for lazy people!: http://ning.it/12vlmVd"
My arms are just like sticks, there is nothing on them. I guess the same could be said for my whole body, it makes me angry when people start saying how underweight i am. I have some weights i was going to start lifting but i was thinking is there any point in lifting weights until i actually put some weight on? Would it make any difference at all? I have been trying to put weight on for what seems like a long time but it just doesn't seem to happen. Are fruits like grapes, honeydew melons, watermelons, kiwi's and peaches any good for putting on weight?
Permalink Reply by Yulia on The only weight you should be gaining is muscle. Everyone around is trying to lose weight, even body builders have single digit fat tissue. You don't wanna be "skinny fat", you wanna be "skinny muscular".
Permalink Reply by banana - boy on I say yes to both ! EAT FRUIT & LIFT .
I cannot believe the progress i have made in 7 weeks of 30BAD
15lbs dumbells up to 35 and 50 lbs on some exercises
life pick 5 major exercises do 3 times a week
i do
squats, deadlift ,chest press, overhead press, barbell rows
5 minutes on each only 30 minutes and done
maybe 5 minutes abs i have grown muscle
go for it many fruit can do for you you just go for the ride
eat 3000 calories of fruit and you be lifting
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Permalink Reply by Kenny F on Building muscle takes time... the reality is most people can only build 5 lbs-15 lbs of muscle mass a year.
I’ve been seeing better result since I switch to HCRV (80/10/10) from a typical healthy vegan diet.
I think all the fruit gives me more energy and I’m able to have more intensive work outs.
The 2 main points are:
I hit all muscle groups each workout, 4 times a week. I also do 2 hours of Cardio 3 times a week, (30 mile bike rides) something I really enjoy actually.
In order for the body to start really packing on the muscle you’ll need to eat over 4000 calories a day… This is not easy… For me it’s difficult to eat over 3000 calories a day even when I ride my bike (the ride burns 1500 calories). I guess the key is finding foods that are yummy and delicious to you.
Good luck!
I hope you fine a routine that works for you!
Kenny
Hey man just to straighten some things out...
No you don't have to wait at all. The guy saying the 4000 thousand calorie thing kinda has a point there.
Establish your bmr (base metabolic rate) this is basically how many calories you need to just exist in a day, add about 500 or more to that (more cause you said you were thinner) and work from there.
Eating this kinda diet isn't really going to allow you to get fat, its gunna be pretty much lean muscle. From what I've read muscle develops when your slightly over your caloric needs (thats why you hear "bulk faze" as appose to "cutting").
For workouts yea you can do a full body workout but four times a week might be much (but for that dude thats cool and all). For you being a newer guy, just do maybe three times a week full body, then you can (if you want) transition to a four or five day split (4 to 5 days a week).
Also, for the exercises the gentlemen was saying moves like squats and stuff. Those are compound movements that will engage several muscle groups at once (a lot of people recommend that). Hope that helps some best of luck to you man :D
Permalink Reply by Josh Phillips on Look up the workout routine from the hodge twins. The workout is pretty simple and works and its based on compound movements which build a lot of muscle mass. Just don't listen to anything they say about diet, nutrition or supplementation.
Permalink Reply by Reed on Beginning bodybuilders have the fastest gains. There are exercises where you might be able to double or even triple your strength in just a few months. While strength can shoot up very quickly, size is takes time. It's not going to happen if you don't actually start. So yes, go for it!
I can't believe Harley didn't comment on this post and chastise or ban you from the forum for even mentioning those guys haha.
Permalink Reply by Reed on Nothing wrong with lifting weights to keep healthy.
I originally switched to this diet (lifestyle) to cut weight including some muscle. I think I carry too much muscle for long term joint health or even longevity. The average lifespan of a pro football player is 58 and I weigh more than the average player.
Actually I haven't been to the gym in over a year and I actually put on muscle in many places. Go figure! Lol
Been ocean swimming most days, hill climbs with my mountain bike, road biking, jogging in deep sand and pushups. My thighs are 28" and I can't fit my legs in some jeans. My delts and upper back are also getting bigger but overall I'm dropping pounds quickly. I'll put a new pic up in a few months when I'm ready for a triathlon.
The entire bodybuilding protein logic is interesting and really flawed. Ever notice how many fat guys are in the gym and wonder why even if they eat hardly any fat? Too much protein! Protein spikes insulin and fat storage.
One pound of steak has about 100 grams of protein as it's mostly water. Human muscle is close enough to steak to give this comparison.
If your diet has an extra 30 grams of protein then you really need you theoretically have enough protein to add 9 extra pounds of muscle per month. 30x30=900 grams / 100 = 9 pounds. Not that that would happen but you can see that the guys adding 300-400 grams of protein a day are not being realistic. If anything they set themselves for a very acid base and bones leaching minerals to neutralize the acidic blood. Then they go on cutting diets loosing muscle trying to cut fat. It's an endless damaging cycle.
It would be easier to just eat the low amount of protein needed to gain muscle 365 days a year (even if its at 80-90% of max gains) and never need to cut and diet and loose some of your gains 1-2 times per year.
Permalink Reply by Josh Phillips on 453 grams are in a lb so it should take that much protein to add a lb of muscle. Also, I'm not sure if muscle mass is what leads to poor joint health so much as poor diet, unless you have some other info.
Also, I think muscle mass is much better than fat for old age because the body first uses muscle and then fat for energy (yeah, it sucks), this way if you somehow come down with an illness that causes you to be bed-ridden for some time, when you are better you've lost loads of muscle and for most elderly that means requiring assitance for walking, etc.
Permalink Reply by Reed on Its very common for people to get that wrong. 453.6 grams per pound is correct but there's not 453.6 grams of protein in a pound of raw steak, shrimp, ham chicken or muscle as of the high water content. Just look at the label.
The protein content ranges from 88-112 grams per pound (for raw meat) with 100 grams being a good average as it's mostly water. Cooked the protein climbs some as some water is removed.
If you ate 100-120 grams of protein "and" your body was 100% efficient at converting it to muscle it could produce close to a pound as muscle is >75% water content.
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