Permalink Reply by Delight on You asked "am I cheating myself out of life saving nutrients by avoiding large amounts of fruits?" YES!! The life saving nutrients you would be depriving yourself of are called "carbohydrates". Our bodies run on sugar. If you don't eat any carbohydrates, your body will convert your fat stores to sugar to survive. But this is not a good way to live. You will be starving yourself, lowering your metabolism and losing lean tissue as well. The point is, our bodies run on sugar, so even if you avoid it, your body will find ways to get it.
I would suggest reading the 801010 book and/ or watching some videos of Doug Graham on youtube. As long as you keep your fat intake below 10% of your calories, you should have no problems with candida. Cancer can have many causes - but fruit is not one them. In fact many fruits have anti-cancer properties.
Permalink Reply by Wendy Harvey on after much research and life experiences I think I have worked out whats going on.
Rain is right, sugar is sugar, whether it comes from fruit or from chocolate bars.
Obviously fruit is going to have all the added essential vitamins and minerals but that is not what makes it safe.
The difference between icecream and fruit is the delivery rate.
I have a big big problem with bacteria in my body & it will thrive on not only chocolate bars but also fruit but just how excited the bacteria get depends on the delivery rate, i.e. how fast the sugar is delivered to the blood. That is where fruit shines, the starch component slows the assimilation of the sugars so the body is able to utilize the sugars before they reach a dangerous surplus which stimulate the bacteria to multiply & support their great numbers.
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I am wondering if 3 very large meals of fruit deliver more sugar to the blood in a rush then 4, 5 or 6 smaller fruit meals provided the same amount of fruit is eaten in a day ?
Permalink Reply by Chris P. on Hi Wendy, I don't think it is starch in fruit but the fiber which does that. Also eating greens with fruit can help I have read. Now if you eat unripe fruit like green bananas, I believe then they may have some starch, but I think that is hard on the system and can cause digestive problems. That's why they recommend eating ripe fruit here, like bananas with lots of brown spots+easy to peel.
Also, when you cook starchy foods to make them edible, I believe the cooking process turns some of those starches into sugars, sort of "heat ripening" them. Otherwise I believe they would not be very nice to you.
I think you are right as far as sugar being sugar. Of course there are different functional groups and different molecular structures for different types of sugars, but as far as being fuel, sugar is sugar, but it's delivery rate, combined with the uptake our bodies can do (less with excess fat inthe diet) makes a big difference. IF we cannot use it all as it enters the blood stream then the insulin is produced to help with that, and if that cannot keep up, candida tends to bloom to "help" although it is not always pleasant, but it is helpful. It tends to cause breakouts, etc. I'm not really sure about different types of bacterial blooms with sugar, I mean that could be part of it too, but I know that candida (yeast) will bloom. Candida is part of the normal flora of a person, along with various bacteria and other assorted critters.
Permalink Reply by Chris P. on Hi Rain,
You read 80/10/10 right? When you eat fruit there is sugar, but it is accompanied by soluble fiber, which regulates it. Also, if you keep the fat at or below 10% of your calories, the sugar is able to be utilized properly by your body. However, if your fat% is too high, it interferes with sugar uptake which results in things like candida overgrowth, etc.
I strongly recommend to use something to log your food and drink intake, such as www.cronometer.com, this way you will be able to see if you are getting enough calories for energy and nutrition as well as how your macros (carbs:protein:sugar) are. Since fat has twice as many calories as carbohydrates or protein, it's very easy to go over in fat eating a "normal diet".
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Permalink Reply by PK on @Rain,
I have skimmed through here, and first I want to welcome you to 30BaD and or back to a raw lifestyle. I have several thoughts to share that will hopefully get you started. I know before I get started that this is going to be a long answer, so hope you do not mind.
I am sorry about your breast cancer problems.
Our primate cousins like chimps and bonobos eat diets consisting mainly of fruits and leafy greens, and chimps might eat up to 40% of calories and volume from greens. Chimps are very muscular and active and do not have candida blooms and or are walking around with tumors. So yes, one can assume that it is easy to eat fruit and greens and be safe from candida blooms and cancer.
However, there are many other things we face in modern life such as polluted water and air that could cause and trigger cancer, may be even genetics and or birth defects. So one cannot always blame ones diet for these things.
Now, you mention being vegan and high raw. I am not sure if you were eating high fat or not like a lot of nuts and seeds or oils like olive oil. There may be some medical evidence that eating high fat can sludge up the blood with lipids and fats which can prevent absorption of oxygen, nutrients, and blood sugars. This can not only leave cells and tissues depleted and open to cancer formation, but blood sugars may remain high. Everyone has some candida in the body. It is a natural life saving process. If our blood sugars go to high, the candida feed on them and bloom. In some sensitive individuals, this can lead to chronic fatigue syndrome and other problems.
So, no matter what your diet, I would recommend eating low fat.
The next problem is with starchy foods. I am assuming that if you are not 100% raw, then you will be eating things like grains, tubers and potatoes, legumes and beans, and nuts and seeds. These are starchy foods and complex carbohydrates. As these foods are consumed, the body will start releasing insulin. The body will break these complex carbs down into glucose, and then insulin will act as a transport to feed glucose to cells. Eating a steady diet of complex carbohydrates and starchy foods can lead to hyperinsulinemia. Hyperinsulinism in some individuals can cause premature aging, inflammation, and cancers. In some sensitive individuals, a diet high in starchy foods can cause an increase in belly fat, inflammation, and an increased risk of breast cancer. Even in males, they can get gynecomastia (grow man boobs) and or increase their risk of breast cancer.
Fruits on the other hand are high in simple sugars like fructose and require little or no insulin as an energy transport.
I have written a little more about starchy foods, complex carbohydrates, and the problems they cause here:
30BaD FADs: Carbohydrates and Starchy Foods Defined - 30 Bananas a ...
30BaD FADs: Starchy Foods vs Fruit n Lettuce - 30 Bananas a Day!
Diets high in grains and starchy foods can also increase risks of stomach cancers. In Japan, ethnic diets are high in rice and sweet potatoes and in tandem their rates of stomach cancer are one of the highest in the world and more than the USA.
30BaD FADs: Diet and Health in Japan and USA - 30 Bananas a Day!
As previously mentioned, one problem with starchy foods is that they cause insulin problems. But they also tend to be high in oxalates and oxalates cause many short term and long term health problems. High oxalate foods include animal products, dairy products, grains, legumes and beans, tubers and potatoes, most nuts and seeds, and most cruciferous veggies like kale and spinach.
30BaD FADs: Oxalate Health Impact - 30 Bananas a Day!
So, what I recommend for you and for all of our members is to eat whole raw fruits and leafy lettuce greens. I do not recommend juicing as this can irritate candida in sensitive individuals and can cause a host of digestive problems, sugar problems, blood in stools, and IBS symptoms.
Our diet is really simple. You do not have to slice and dice and juice or cook. Eat straight from the peel. Eat simple meals, but a rainbow of fruits and lettuce over a period of time.
Remember to eat about 1/2 -2 pounds or more of lettuce greens a day, but avoid kale as spinach as these are high oxalate foods.
30BaD FADs: Benefits of Lettuce Greens - 30 Bananas a Day!
Make sure you are getting enough calories. You mentioned being 115 pounds. I am not sure of your height, but for some people, this is underweight. Malnutrition can be a risk for cancer, tissue decay, and or scurvy. We recommend 2500 for females and 3000 calories a day for males. More if one exercises, has a job, family, etc. Since you may be trying to ward off cancer and or if you are on medications, you may need high doses of vitamin C, so focus on lettuce and citrus like oranges.
30BaD FADs: Why 2500/3000 Calories A Day? - 30 Bananas a Day!
Now I know earlier, I discouraged a high fat diet, but one should not become fat phobic. A little bit of fat in the diet and or body fat is needed to regulate fat soluble vitamins like vitamin D. For some people, being healthy might mean having a higher BMI closer to 20-25 even 30.
For more tips and tricks, you can read through these blog posts:
Frequently Added Discussions - 30 Bananas a Day!
Don't forget to drink 2-4 quarts of water a day, and to sleep 8-12 hours a night, get about 30 minutes of sun a day, and if you feel up to it, a little like 20-30 minutes of exercise about 5-6 days a week. Give yourself one day a week off for rest and repairs.
Continue to monitor your situation with your doctor.
Here are some free ebooks that might be of interest to you:
THE HEALTH REVOLUTION by ROSS HORNE
HEALTH & SURVIVAL IN THE 21st CENTURY by Ross Horne
IMPROVING ON PRITIKIN— YOU CAN DO BETTER by Ross Horne
Good luck and Peace, PK
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Permalink Reply by Ali on Hi PK,
I am really interested in what you said, in particular the part about simple sugars in fruit requiring little or no insulin to transport into cells. I have polycystic ovarian syndrome and this is often linked to insulin resistance where my cells do not "recognise" the insulin and it triggers release of far too much insulin which grabs all the sugar and turns it to fat (simplified version), I have found in internet searches lots of stuff to say that too much fruit is bad if you have PCOS, I desperately want to believe that it is not true, do you know of anywhere I could find more information about this. Thanks in advance.
Rain, I really hope you feel better soon, you have been through such a lot by the sounds of it. I am no expert (in anything really) but I have heard that cancer cells do feed off the sugar in fruit but that the sugar in fruit also contains anti cancer properties so kind of helps to kill off the cells from within.
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