All I know is that I feel like total CRAP after eating too much fat - and for many hours afterwards. Apparently my body didn't get the memo that it prefers fat to glucose....
Why do these carb bashers always talk about refined grains and sugars and totally ignore fruit? The refined sugars and grains are almost always combined with fats.
This is the same old Paleo story…
They based their theory on “The Paleo Diet”, but in reality people can only speculate on what we really ate.
The Paleolithic is from 2.6 million to ~10K years ago, that’s a very large time period in Human history. People 20K years ago crossing the Bering Land Bridge ate a very different diet than people 150K years in central Africa. They base “The Paleo Diet” on people 20K years ago, crossing the Bering Land Bridge (or Ice Age Europe) and the technology was relatively advanced. People then would have had similar health issues as people today if they lived past 40 or weren’t on the edge of starving all the time.
If they really want to know the “Perfect human diet” (if there is such a thing) they should look when/where people first showed up… ~150K years ago - ~Central Africa – and only using sharp sticks as Tools/Weapons.
…But that would not be as cool as the Hunting Cave man with his Stones Spears or Bow and Arrow chasing down Mammoths, and wouldn’t sell very well because it wouldn't taste that good, it’s almost all plants, no salt, and very low in fat.
Keen observation and true.
I should have added this to my post above.
The Paleo Diet is a Product.
The guys who own the trademark took only the facts they wanted in order to re-create an Adkins like diet that people would like to eat so they can make money.
People who follow it think it’s real science so they use it as fact, which it isn’t, so the link is opinion based on half truths.
One thing that’s great about 80/10/10 is that you can’t package it…
Raw Fruits and Veggies have no packages with trademarks… maybe a sticker w/ a SKU from the grower I guess, but I think you get my point.
"-no information given about level of fitness on high-fat diet. If we're really healthy we should be able to keep up with high levels of daily exercise and physical labour when the occasion arises, even if we don't do so regularly. A fat-adapted diet does not allow for that. "
Actually it does. Back in the days when i was on a ketogenic diet to lose the weight (i'm now maintaining on a raw diet, no matter what they say about ketogenic diets, it's not FRESH and JUICY)
I'd have a big breakfast and go out and do my chors (including some gardening, every other day) and feel no hunger till dinner or the next day breakfast, just cause it took so long to breakdown and digest.
The article talks about refined stuff, which in all diets, refined stuff are bad, no matter how you bend it. On junk-food vegan my cholesterol was rubbish, it was cause of the refined foods and "mock" products. All junk food (anything in a box, i consider junk if it has more than 3 ingredients and/or ingredients i can't understand) are harmful.
Not sure why everyone on those diets are aiming for high fat, like.. what are they doing? sitting all day eating cheese?
I get it if someone wants fast results for weightloss, -right now- but how can they swap the juicy, fresh, sweet fruit for a block of cheese long term? Everyone complains that if they wanna lose weight they gotta cut out sweet stuff, and here we have a diet that ONLY has sweet stuff... and they still don't wanna try it -.-
People are weird.
thank you , i've emailed lew rockwell and i hope he reads this thread and learns and grows and dumps these people who are exploiting others or that even more i hope people like mercola wolfe sisson and the others , daniel vitalis who even had the cops called on me could learn and grow and join in with us and thrive but first go threw a morning processes and reconciliation
hey i tried them all ,
atkins -paleo sucked for me personally and for the planet 1992
then greesey vegan was lousey for me but better for the earth and my out look 2001-2012
30bad june 2012 ROCKS ! and so do the people here !(for me) forget debate i got results ! man i am happy !
nuff said ! i no care to win debate i like DR joking statement best " don't eat fruits and vegetables cuz they are toxic"
i want results and i got em ~!
All I know is that when I eat fat, my skin gets oily and I get pimples within hours. I bet those pimples help the paleolithic me as the tigers run away from me. Fruit makes my skin clear up, hands down. I just want to see what Mercola looks like, what he eats, how he works out, how he sleeps, and how he feels !
I actually like some of Mercola's science when it comes to the study of grains.
Complex carbohydrates and starchy foods like tubers and potatoes, legumes and beans, grains and bread, and most nuts and seeds to affect the body negatively, can cause metabolic syndrome, weight gain in sensitive individuals, hyperinsulinism if eaten chronically, and hypoglycemia.
Where Mercola goes wrong is assuming that all carbs are bad.
Eaten in a whole form with fiber and other nutrients, the simple carbs and or simple sugars like glucose and fructose rarely cause the above symptoms.
This is just a birds eye view, but this blog might answers some of the issues surrounding the whole carb controversy:
Now a far as glucose being the preferred energy source of the body, you can google that and almost any medical site out there worth its two cents will say that glucose is the preferred energy source of the body and brain.
It takes the least amount of time to digest carbohydrates, with simple carbs like glucose and fructose not stimulating an initial insulin release. Glucose will require some insulin for transport, fructose can be made into other metabolites in the liver as well as an energy source for cells.
thank you too as always PK with a rational well researched response
i too like to reference mercola on soy for instance . but when he sells out to reference Sisson... talk about pulling a Minger.
i like to point out that we didn't control fire before ~50,000 years ago , we domesticated plants and animals hard core about 10,000 ago and it has been downhill from there from our more capable cro-magnon bodies.