So, I just got back from my yearly check up with the doc, and of course I strongly disagreed with a lot of what was said about my diet but I do have one question. The main thing she was concerned about with my diet was, you guessed it, protein! She said I should be getting 40-60 grams per day! I know that is way too high but I was wondering about the essential amino acids. Where do they come from in a HCRV diet? Of course she suggested grains, beans etc. as my sources but those aren't raw so...should I be worried about them?
Thanks!
Permalink Reply by Lisa Dee on This is why I hate doctors so much.
I got this from this site somewhere:
"Fruit has quite more biologically active protein content compared with cooked food (potatoes meat etc). This is because fruit has no "protein" as such. It has FREE amino acids that must not be broken down by the body. So, all that is required is to assimilate these amino acids from fruit compared to meat, where tough protein molecules must be broken down by strong digestive enzymes, and not 100% effectively for the assimilation. As a result there is much less protein necessary on raw food diet. All is necessary is to meet daily carb calories and forget about protein"
Get some info together and send it to the doctor. Might be an eye-opener for her. We should all be trying to educate others, I think, and get the word out there.
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Permalink Reply by Bart M on That doesn't seem right to me. I know that doctors don't have a very good understanding of nutrition, but to claim that all amino acid content of fruit is in the form of free amino acid, and none of it comes from protein? I just don't believe that.
Permalink Reply by Lisa Dee on I don't think it's saying none comes from protein - this quote is saying you can get more from fruit - pound for pound, I'm assuming.
I think we need a PK in here at this point with some links.
Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on
If you eat meat and dont take protein powder you will be protein deficient.
If you eat fish but no meat you will be protein deficient.
If you drink milk but no fish you will be protein deficient.
If you eat eggs but no milk you will be protein deficient.
If you drink milk but no eggs you will be protein deficient.
If you just eat vegan with lots of beans you will be protein deficient.
If you just eat vegan with NO beans you will be protein deficient.
If you eat vegan with no hemp protein powder you will be protein deficient.
If you eat raw foods but not enough nuts you will be protein deficient.
If you eat 811 you MUST be protein deficient.
So based on the protein dogma we all should be SCREWED! lol!
If a bodybuilder needs 500g of protein a day and I can cycle across Australia on less than 50g of protein a day then how is that possible? Riding across Australia is WAY harder than picking up heavy objects in front of the mirror. People die from exhaustion on bicycles. People get admitted to mental wards on bicycle tours. Nobody dies at the gym from exhaustion or gets locked up from frying themselves during a 24hr race.
Permalink Reply by Lisa Dee on Additionally, one of my favourite quotes from Thoreau:
"One farmer says to me, 'You cannot live on vegetable food solely, for it furnishes nothing to make bones with,' and so he religiously devotes a part of his day to supplying his system with the raw material of bones; walking all the while he talks behind his oxen, which, with vegetable made bones, jerk him and his lumbering plow along in spite of every obstacle."
So essentially the idea is that oxen, elephants, gorillas can built a LOT of bone and muscle mass on a plant diet only and they are stronger than we are. If anyone comes back with "yes, but we aren't cows..." etc, just remind them that you're not attempted to eat grass, bark, or twigs. Indeed, you do not have the ability to extract the nutrition from such foods and you would probably need a second stomach. But we are eating tender greens and fruit. The essential point is that these food types obviously contain enough amino acids.
Permalink Reply by Dovima on But there's got to be some science we can site to actually win a debate with a nutritionist on this issue......
Permalink Reply by Kelsey Bott on Permalink Reply by Lisa Dee on Start by looking for a basic definition of an amino acid. Are the amino acids somehow different when they come from meat or are all amino acids created the same and act the same in the body?
Once that is established, then simply look up the amount of amino acids provided by something like romaine. If, indeed, an amino acid is an amino acid, then what is any doctor's problem? Finally, is there a complete range of amino acids available on a purely fruit and veg diet?
I don't know if it's disputable after that point....but who knows....
Permalink Reply by Bart M on I think 40 grams of protein a day is sensible. You may not need 40, but it certainly isn't too much.
In the past, I have tracked my amino acid intake with Cronometer. I put in my targets from http://www.aminolabs.net/ I was getting more than enough of every essential amino acid except for methionine.
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