Eating fruits until nauseous/stuffed to prevent cooked food binging... is this natural?

Hello all,

I have a question for you all and I am looking forward to input because I know there are so many people around here at 30bad that are so well educated and experienced in health, natural hygene, raw veganism, etc.

So here it goes...

Is it normal, good, and even natural to eat so much and keep on eating until you're about to burst, just to prevent a cooked food binge? I know myself... coming from a background of anorexia and bulimia, that on this lifestyle, if I do not completely stuff myself until I feel like I am going to be sick, the temptations to eat cooked vegan foods are still out there (not talking about rice or sweet potatoes, talking about soy ice cream and other junk...) I know a lot of people here do not believe there is such a thing as over-eating on fruits, but I have noticed that some people do seem to think this is possible, like Chris Califano, whose views and input around the forums I always find real interesting, being one of them (unless I understood you wrong, Chris).

Durianrider, you often say that emotional eating doesn't exist, and that wanting to binge out on cooked foods just means you didn't get enough carbs... but is it good for someone to eat so much that they feel literally sick in their stomach from eating too much, just to prevent a cooked food binge?

I have been getting better and better on this lifestyle, but over the past year and a half, I have had plenty a set-back, I will do great, make sure I am always surrounded by a SEA of fresh raw fruits and lotttttts of medjool dates, I get my greens in, I exercise, drink filtered water like there is no tomorrow, I sleep as long as I can and without alarmclock (unless I have an early appointment that i can't miss), and go for as much outside time as I can. And still I get times where I just want to buy every single vegan cookie, ice cream and chips item in the store and eat it all alone in my home, DESPITE knowing how awful I will feel physically and mentally the next day(s). It is not like I am eating only 2000 calories and then wonder, gee, why did I just binge on potato chips?

It seems Durianrider and I will never see eye to eye on this, that anorexia and bulimia are psychological disorders and not just a cause of low carb intake, but that is fine, that is not really what this is about anyway.

I would just like to know if it is a good idea to really stuff yourself in order to prevent cooked food binges?

Before you assume that I have an anorexic stomach... this is not the case, I have thankfully been recovered from anorexia for years, from bulimia too, but I still have binge attacks, just not followed by purging any more :) thankfully. I can eat hormonal always eating teen boys under the table, I work in an all men environment and I can eat ALL of them under the table :P (even in cooked foods) I am not overweight, but I am also not underweight, just a healthy 28 year old.

I hope to receive lots of input on this, because I get confused from time to time about mixed messages concerning whether it is normal/good to eat such high amounts of foods, and in my case, eating until I get physically ill just to avoid binging on cooked foods (because if I eat until I can no longer fit anything into my stomach... cooked food no longer looks tempting, because NOTHING looks tempting at that point ;))

What is very interesting to notice in myself is the following change/evolution... the more I learn, and on this lifestyle it is like you never stop learning, the more facts and studies I read, the more lectures from Dr. Graham I watch, the less appealing certain foods have become to me (like oils for example) which does help in the binging department... but still not entirely, sometimes I still feel like just having a dirty disgusting vegan junk bingeweekend.

Tags: anorexia, binge, bulimia, cooked, disorder, eating, raw, vegan

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Permalink Reply by Hunnydew Sunshine on March 1, 2012 at 12:10am

"The best persimmons are not the ones with a perfectly red and soft skin, but rather the harder ones full of black spots on the skin; these ones are heavenly sweet!"

I've noticed that many times, if persimmons have black spots, they may have some white mold growing on them as well. I think the black spots are age marks. This being the case, it makes sense that some black spotty persimmons would have mold, since they've been in a box for a month. So... my question is, even if the mold is not visible, do you think there could be mold spores in the fruit that are not visible to the naked eye?

I never get the spotty persimmons because, even if they don't have any visible mold, I fear that there may be invisible mold lurking.

What is your thought on this?

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Permalink Reply by fruitsandnumbers on March 1, 2012 at 12:36am

The other day I bought a box of organic persimmons in the organic market we have nearby our house.

The sweetest ones, by far, out of any reasonable comparison were the ugliest ones with a harder skin (but still a bit soft) and full of black spots. Eating those persimmons was the most blissful sensation. And they were so good that after you ate them, the other ones started tasting dull and unappealing. It's such a difference that as I say it was beyond comparison.

None of the sturdy persimmons had mold in the inside and none of them got spoiled even though I waited the longest to eat them. On the other hand, I had to throw away many of the prettier persimmons cause they'd gotten spoiled and tasted so bad. And I also had to share some of them with my little wormy friends (that's no problem though; you just cut a piece for them, and eat the rest).

I don't think I'd eat ever fear sturdy hard persimmons; it's the other ones I might be uneasy buying.

luv and a lot of ripe fruit for u <3 <33

Daniel

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Permalink Reply by fruitsandnumbers on March 1, 2012 at 1:42am

ok, so here's the picture; hope that it works this time:

hurray, it's working!

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Permalink Reply by Hunnydew Sunshine on March 1, 2012 at 1:53am

Ohhh yes yes yes. I see. We are talking about different kinds of persimmons. You are talking about the harder ones. With those ones, you're right, the spotty ones are better.

I mainly eat the other kind of persimmon. The kind that are really soft and squichy all over. They're out of season now, but here's a picture I took a few months ago.

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Permalink Reply by Hunnydew Sunshine on March 1, 2012 at 1:55am

If you were to puncture it, say with a knife, goo would ooze out. With these kinds of persimmons, they more perfect they look, the more perfect they taste.

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Permalink Reply by fruitsandnumbers on March 1, 2012 at 2:46am

No, I think we're talking about the same kind of persimmons. I'll add three more pictures but they'll take some time to load.

(if for some reason it's not appropriate to add so many pictures, because it makes this page run more slowly or something please someone tell me)

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Permalink Reply by Apollonia on March 1, 2012 at 9:41am

Dear Daniel,

Thanks again for putting so much time and effort into this thread and helping me, I am very grateful... I like your idea about starting up a new thread about the ripeness and how to do it best... I will leave the honour to start it up to you!! And naturally, I will be participating :D

Thanks for being so thoughtful and kind to me, and thanks for the compliment on my name :)

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Permalink Reply by Apollonia on March 1, 2012 at 2:29am

Durianrider, that picture is from about a year ago, when I just moved into my own apartment and finally had a place to put my own foods (what a relief that was! Finally coming from a meat eating enviroment into my own vegan one!) since then I always have lots and lots of bananas and at least 3 boxes dates (1 kilogram each) waiting for me at home) I have learnt a lot, and making sure I always have bananas at various ripening stages was part of that. Also the dates are a life saver :)

But you are still right, ALWAYS having the perfect amount of perfectly ripe fruit can be hard, especially in Holland.

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on March 1, 2012 at 10:23am

Ive spent time in Holland. Easy to be vegan, challenge to get enough fruit cals though. Its possible, just extra work that it would be in Portland, LA, Chanthaburi, NYC etc.

USA is the easiest and cheapest place on earth for organic fruits and veg. Even cheaper than Thailand.

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Permalink Reply by Apollonia on March 1, 2012 at 11:28am

Definitely (relatively) easy to be vegan in Holland, just not as socially accepted and easy as in America's bigger cities, where there are plenty of vegan restaurants and wonderful shops such as wholefoods everywhere... but Holland definitely is progressing, we have since a few years finally a chain-store called ekoplaza, it is the Dutch answer to Wholefoods, except everything in ekoplaza is organic, which is completely wonderful, but very expensive... I have no idea why the organic food is so expensive here compared to the organic foods in America, but it is too bad.

Anyway yeah covered in the vegan department, just not in the fruit department. When I go to restaurants with friends or collegues I ask the serving person to please check the kitchen for all the fruit they can miss, and make me a nice big fruit salad... the looks and responses I get are priceless... but never negative, because I ask it all excited and flirtingly. I remember going out to dinner with a vegan friend once, and he was so shy about asking questions about possible vegan dishes that the waiter got quite annoyed with him. Attitude is everything :)

But... I'D LOOOVE to move to New York or California, with the business I am in we are looking to eventually expand over to several countries, but it takes time to grow. Can't wait though. America is a very very interesting place.

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Permalink Reply by fruitsandnumbers on March 2, 2012 at 4:53am

When I go to restaurants with friends or collegues I ask the serving person to please check the kitchen for all the fruit they can miss, and make me a nice big fruit salad... the looks and responses I get are priceless... but never negative, because I ask it all excited and flirtingly.

Thank you, Apollonia! You brought a smile to my face! You're such a wonderful girl! :)

I remember going out to dinner with a vegan friend once, and he was so shy about asking questions about possible vegan dishes that the waiter got quite annoyed with him. Attitude is everything :)

Definitely true. Very wise! It makes me so happy and moved to hear you have such a positive attitude! Why don't you apply it to yourself? You've got in you all you need to deal with your problems.

I remember when I was in Holland, I could buy 1kilo of bananas for less than 1euro, 2,5kg of apples of only 1,50euro and 2kg of oranges for 1,70euro. Those are very fair prices, I'd say. I also remember you have the best apples and strawberries! Absolutely wonderful! So, it may not be the best place in the world to be a fruitarian, but there are great fruit in the Netherlands! Just work hard to find them, and enjoy the bliss they offer you!

Much love and encouragement,

Daniel <3