Hi all, I've lurked here a bit since stopping eating meat on new years 2012 but have now joined. I like the interesting range of topics, epecially how to deal with non vegetarian/vegan people who seem to have a real issue with others eating this way (I come from a family where if you dont eat meat then there is something wrong with you... like "what the hells wrong with ya" kinda mentality...)
I wanted to ask people here about how they would handle the situation in this video above and also why do you think people have a need to try and cause strife or offence like it appears this guy is doing? What would you do if someone approached you in this situation? And why do you think they needed to make a video of them doing this and post it on youtube? Do some people think they are "cool" or "popular" to others by doing so? I dont get it so I am interested from a psychological point of view I guess, all angles. Love to hear from you if you have ever experienced this before yourself or if you know how you would have dealt with this.
Thanks for reading.
I would've talked to them, got my face on video, told them my story, and offered the guy eating jerky some tips for weightloss. ;-D
He appears to be rather social and just terribly uninformed. Unfortunately I would likely be too busy to talk to him but if I did have some free time I think I would let him know some of the dangers of eating meat.
There's something in many people that responds to the desire to be kind, nurturing and peaceable in the way a pack of dogs responds to something running away from them. It's sad really and it's kind of a group-think type of thing. However, I am seeing more and more challenges to this type of thinking(well not really "thinking" let's say reacting), which makes me feel hopeful. I think the instinct to chase and tear down comes from some hurt and/or insecurities in the perpetrator's lives. But sure, I'd talk to the guy in a reasonable way. He probably just feels like he's being rascally and clever by talking to a vegetarian while eating jerky. But you know, the fact that he sees the incongruity of that means he is starting to "get it". Hopefully it'll keep germinating in him until he is no longer eating corpse.
Some of the most violently anti-vegan or anti-vegetarian are probably really battling internally, their consciences will not let them rest, hence the outbursts. Often other aspects of their lives become violent and unbalanced as well, in the struggle. Think of people like Ted Nugent, they may seem smug and self-assured in their convictions, but can they really be self-assured when they are so wild in their behavior? I don't think so. I think it's closer to self-delusion and they probably know it, deep down, hence all the vitriol.
What was really sad was to see the Hog Zone Killing Crew videos linked to at the end of that video. One I clicked on showed them gleefully with a tiny pig they had killed, a squirrel with an arrow down it's gullet. I have to wonder if they even know there's a massive disconnect for them? Or that they are being serial killers? Gross.
yep totally get the disconnect thing and many people are just like zombies consuming their way though this planet which is pretty much how they have been indoctrinated to behave by society in a dumbed down system designed to use people as resources. I like the optimistic view that if someone gets upset about a vegan that it means they are struggling with the idea implying they are thinking about it but not totally sure I buy it. Its amazing the amount of people out there who are absolutely against anyone not consuming meat as if you are committing a crime against your health and society... and I agree with the latter part, vegans stick it to society. As Krishnamurti said “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
It doesn't work to try and convert people directly, you have to be more subtle :)
Let them think for themselves, never tell them they're wrong, if someone asks me why I don't eat fat for instance, I might reply 'Well I'm trying to get my cholesterol down below 150 as that makes me much less likely to have heart problems, and thats the number one killer.' I always try to be informed about my own choices, so if someone asks I have a reasonable answer :)
'Well I'm trying to get my cholesterol down below 150 as that makes me much less likely to have heart problems, and thats the number one killer.'
I like that thanks, I will use that! Its about the only thing that would make sense to half the people who want to know the change in diet. Reminds me of the "Keep it simple stupid" saying. People are far more likely to listen to self preservation advice than something about animal ethics.
Well, now that video has 12 dislikes.. 0 likes!
Go on. Go dislike it yourself! Its fun! :)
if he said anything like "am i annoying you eating meat infront of you?" i'd respond :
"that cow is already dead, chopped, processed and in your stomach, you're unmistakenly obese, kinda alive, and chowing it down... you're not harming ME by eating a cow that can not be saved... but hey... eat as much as you want, you won't be around for too long to actually do any damage, have a nice day"
I think it is funny, there is about 40 seconds of a youtube sign that says "If you really care about animals, don't eat them, go Vegetarian"
There is significantly less time promoting the death in a bag.
I'm in high school and when I initially went veg I recieved so much s*** for it. People for some reason felt me going veg, meant I was judging their sense of ethics. (which I honestly was, but I didn't go around saying it. Or even implying it). When I first became veg I told all my friends, I wasn't bragging, I was excited and shocked at the way they treated animals. I thought:
"OMG can you believe how cruel the meat industry is. I never knew about this. I have to tell everyone, we can all become vegos and help the world "
HAHA, so many people just started arguing with me and telling me why they need to eat meat. "where you get your protein from?" Seriously I was so confused at why nobody wanted to go veg with me because to me it seemed the clear ethical choice. I started to doubt myself and 2 weeks later tried meat again, thinking no one cares about it and why should I. I couldn't look myself in the mirrorI was disgusted with myself. I couldn't believe that because of all these people who I though were my friends. Because of how they bullied and teased me that I tried meat again. After that day I have been veg since.
I told everyone to leave me alone and took a no crap stance on the matter. Right now as i approach the end of my schooling I hope to develop friendships with like minded vegans in university.
I rambled on quite a bit. :) If you read it thanks.
Shiv, take it easy mate. There are plenty of like minded folk out there and Uni will be a whole new place to meet them. My daughter has a number of friends at High School who are veg (usually for religeous reasons therefore not vegan) but they just think she must be mega rich (lol) to have the variety of fruits available and an odd father who eats nothing else.
It will all work out, keep fighting the good fight.