did anybody see dr. oz on the view today ( monday may 21 , 2012 ) ? he was with barbara walters & another hostess discussing the cause(s) of atherosclerosis , & coronary heart disease . he was showing these hostesses on a dissected heart what the disease looks like . barbara asked what the cause was . he stated that "white foods " such as pasta , rice , & of course , white sugar are the villains . i find it curious that he failed to mention the # 1 culprit - animal foods ! he then tackled the issue of obesity . he again condemned white foods . barbara walters , being the inquisitive reporter she is , asked him specifically if meat causes obesity . his answer dumbfounded me - no only the white foods cause obesity , not meat ! what ? now i realize that refined white foods are bad , but that's only one quarter of the issues surrounding our health . the other three quarters are from animal products . plus , he failed to mention the good white foods , such as apples , bananas , etc. i think dr. oz did his audience a tremendous dis-service by only presenting a small portion of the issues . before today , i thought dr. oz was a smart nutritionist . now i'm not so sure . i mean , does this guy work for the atkins or paleo diet advocates ? how do all of you feel about what he said ( & didn't say ) ?
Permalink Reply by Simplicity on I stopped giving any cred to Dr. Oz when he got a swine flu shot on national television.
Also, does meat really cause obesity? I know it's linked to a host of other problems, like cancer, cholesterol, etc, but obesity? Someone who eats lean turkey and chicken on occasion are not at risk for weight gain, in my opinion. Meat is often linked with consumption of crap food like fries and "white foods" (which DO cause weight gain), but that's correlation, not causation.
Permalink Reply by anthony Gigliobanco on actually , meat does cause obesity ! the pop we have on earth that follows a paleo/atkins nearly to the letter are the eskimos . they are very obese , suffer degenerative diseases at an early age , & have a shorter life span when compared to the rest of the world . until recently , they consumed no grains , processed foods , or anything else outside animal products . the point is , they are overweight while consuming animal foods .
Permalink Reply by Whitney on Dr. Oz just shows all the different healthy ways to live... back in '10 he asked people to do the RAW 30 day challenge.
Meat does NOT cause you to gain weight if done right. Atkins prime example. Middles school I was forced to do it and from end of school year 7th grade year to beginning of school year 8th grade(about 6 months) I was only allowed to eat meats/eggs and thats its and i lost 100 lbs and got down to 110lbs. And I still have all my test results from that where they all went down from atkins.
Permalink Reply by Molly Locklove on Aye, just like with HCRV, an animal-based diet, like atkins, or dukan (not a fan of dukan, at all) have certain rules, but the universal rule amongst -all- diets, is clean-non processed foods. Anything loaded with artifical stuff, like junk food, refined foods etc, WILL cause cancer/obesity/heart issues etc etc.
It's a matter of choice, HCRV is the most humaine one AND affordable one, if you're not doing it for ethics, do it for your wallet ^_^.
When i did atkin-esque, it was meat, eggs, greens, flaxseed. Was ridiculously boring as well.
Permalink Reply by Mette Marit on Very true. Most cultures that are healthy eat a larger amount of their calories from grains/fruits/veggies and only a small portion every once in a while from meats. Some meat every once in a while (once a week, once a month, and dairy products aren't as common because of lactose intolerence) will not hurt you. But in the US and most first-world countries like England, Germany, France, etc, it's definitely abused.
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Some meat every once in a while (once a week, once a month, and dairy products aren't as common because of lactose intolerence) will not hurt you.
It'll certainly hurt the animal. No matter how 'small' the amount of animal products one consumes, the damage is done. In order to have one bite of steak, a whole cow has to be slaughtered. In order to get one drop of milk, an animal has to be taken, imprisoned and exploited.
And, while eating a small bit of animal products won't kill you on the spot, it certainly does hurt you - it sends your immune system into immediate action to fight and repair the damage. Even a small amount does this. So, while it may not seem, on the surface to be 'hurting' you; it certainly is.
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Meat does NOT cause you to gain weight if done right.
There's no such thing as "doing it right" when it comes to animal consumption. You lost all that weight because you ate only that which cannot support your body, so it went into starvation mode and started consuming itself in order to survive. How can that possibly be seen as "doing it right"?
Permalink Reply by Whitney on I meant in the weightloss sense not in the ethical sense. If you read my post on the first question I hated the atkins diet and as soon as I was able to I rebeled went off it and went vegitaritan. which my parents hated but I hated meat.
Yeah I lost weight but i looked sick(pale/pastey) and felt sick(i disliked meat). However all my blood test came out good(wierdly).
Maybe "doing it right" was the wrong choice of words, I admit.
but in anything I'm now hcrv 3 weeks in.
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Yeah I lost weight but i looked sick(pale/pastey) and felt sick(i disliked meat). However all my blood test came out good(wierdly).
Perhaps that says something about what's considered 'healthy' by our society, that you were able to be that obviously sick and still be considered within healthy range in your blood tests. Also... it might say something about the validity of blood tests as the supposed sole measure of health, as they seem to be viewed in our society.
Permalink Reply by Stephanie McClennon on well, he did once bring a group of women to a zoo and put them on a raw food diet for a few days.
i feel like he's the rawbrahs of tv. sometimes he's spot on, but sometimes he's really a wacko giving everyone and their dog a microphone and stage to preach on.
Permalink Reply by Jon Fergus on Anyone who vomits words from their mouth 24/7 is bound to be right some of the time. ;P
The measuring rod ought to be consistency in the presentation of truth, and Doctor Oz is all over the map.
NB replied to Kelly Kurcina's discussion If still struggling with salt, lower calories for now?? in the group High Carb Cooked Vegan Discussions
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