Chat between me and Viktoras Kulvinskas

This conversation started when I asked Vik what sort of caloric recommendations he advised for one that wanted to thrive on a raw vegan lifestyle. He didnt answer that one objectively. I believe if someone cant explain something simply, they dont yet understand it well enough. Not knowing how to put enough fuel in the tank and trying to eat healthy is like not knowing which way the nut is turning when your trying to tighten up a bolt. Some days you will get it tight, some days you will loose what your trying to secure and have to start over again.

Durianrider Vegano December 12 at 7:54am

How would you explain that the fittest, healthiest people in the raw foods movement today get the majority (95%+) of their calories from sweet fruits?

Sure there is heaps of crew that get all stoned on mushrooms and bongs and try and live on half a banana and an hour worth of sun gazing and when they get dropped off the deep end, we blame sweet fruit but its a bit like blaming cars for accidents when the driver is speeding/drunk.

Viktoras P. Kulvinskas December 12 at 2:55pm Report

I do not share your views or perceptions in the least, Harley. I am certain that the teaching that I have propagated over the past forty years through our best selling publications and various world reknowned institutions are correct. The healing have been extraordinary and certain there are hundreds of thousands of healthy and fit iindividuals worldwide who follow them. Many of them were cured of serious disease.

I have taken considerable time in the past to express my cautions and warning to do about your view and personal health path. I can discern that you are determined to ignore what I have said and persist in your ways. That is your choice. I do wish you the best of health and all well being and blessings.

Durianrider Vegano December 12 at 7:12pm

Thanks Vik. I knew you couldnt even give me 1 name out of the hundreds of thousands.. ;)

1 name that is running marathons/riding bikes/lifting weights as fast/heavy as us fruit eaters are and doing 100% raw vegan on sprouts, wheat grass and some soaked grains. Id love to know if you can prove me otherwise, otherwise its just talk VIk. ;)

Viktoras P. Kulvinskas December 13 at 1:29am Report

Mr. Kulvinskas has advised his staff that he does not see any purpose in continuing a conversation regarding health and healing with you. If you wish to continue, please send your credentials, scientific research and studies and documentation via email to viktoras4u@live.com. Mr. Kulvinskas will review those and determine as to whether a continued conversation might be worthwhile or fruitful within the context of his long established healing work.

Mr. Kulvinskas has further instructed us to advise that that a course of study at one of the Raw Foods Healing Institute which have been duly established on the basis of his studies, practices, research and health protocols may be of considerable value to your understanding. Please consider such at:

Dont you love it? I ask for just one name and Vik gets his staff to answer me. Its not like Im asking for a 1000

word respons..just one little name out the 'hundreds of thousands' that is thriving on the calorie restricted

kefit n sprout diet.

Vik is a great speaker and a alround nice guy IMHO but when it comes to nutrition, his oldschool ways of thinking

keep in the dark ages.

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on February 14, 2011 at 5:54pm

Viktoras Kulvinskas has filed legal action against me for this thread. ;)

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Permalink Reply by FruitBat22 on February 14, 2011 at 8:20pm

When someone can't even give you just 1 name of a person thriving successfully and athletically, then you know they are fakes and liars.

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on February 20, 2011 at 7:33pm

Thats my point, Vik got asked a question and he refuses to answer it. He acts all spiritual and then files some legal action against me.

What does that tell you. Another raw fooder asks you a question and you refuse to answer it and they you try and sue em. Viktoras's actions just debunked any of his books/talks Ive listened too. These guys are all about making money on ignorant crew. Making up spiritual orthorexic diets that your GUARANTEED to fail on and then when you fail, you look up to them for guidance.

You never hear Viktoras giving objective caloric info.

You never hear Viktoras being supportive of those being successful as raw vegans.

He is like the rest of the money hungry crew posing behind white robes and a fake smile.

Those guys are about money and power vs empowerment and spreading the truth.

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Permalink Reply by Jesse Radja on February 20, 2011 at 7:42pm

So can we ask the Hunza people the same thing ...... one of the most long-lived healthy race on the planet ...... but can they give us the name of one champion athlete from their tribe ...... or a celebrity dietician ???????????? "1 name that is running marathons/riding bikes/lifting weights as fast/heavy as us "

actually most people on this planet are too busy subsisting to have time to do these activities ...... they are the activities of the Western generation who don't have to think of where the next meal is coming from ....... just use the mighty dollar and support another banana republic ..........

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on February 20, 2011 at 7:56pm

Get any Hunza and they would be fit enough to do the job. We aint talking about Hunzas or champion tribe runners.

You dont understand my point Jesse. Vik and I were having a discussion and he said he has trained thousands of athletes on his low fruit anorexic diet. I asked him for one name. He couldnt give me one and now he wants to take legal action against me for highlighting this. What a wanker.

People like Viktoras say you cant be a strong, fit vegan/raw vegan. Even you say it Jesse but we prove otherwise. You dont need to kill animals to be strong. You dont need drugs to have a good time. Looking after the planet and your body gives us the highs naturally.

We live in such a fruit phobic world that if I wanted to plant 1000 fruit trees, I honestly would'nt know where to ask. I mean Clints farm is the extreme exception.

Do we need more nets in the river drowning fish or do we need more people buying/eating/planting bananas and having drug free good times showing people how fit and healthy vegans really are?

Does that make sense?

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Permalink Reply by Jesse Radja on February 20, 2011 at 8:27pm

Hi DR ..... which job would the Hunza be fit enough for ..... sorry didn't catch it ??? And can you quote where I said you can't be a fit/strong raw/vegan/////// +++ what is the drug connection ????? Looking after the planet sounds great ..... what do you advise ????? And finally are our only two choices these - Do we need more nets in the river drowning fish or do we need more people buying/eating/planting bananas and having drug free good times showing people how fit and healthy vegans really are ???? Are people in the river with nets not drug free ?????? You seem to throw in some abstract points there ..... by the way .... I seem to manifest plenty of land options for growing my 1000 fruit tree quota ...... maybe something that comes after 10 years +++ on the diet you have the breakthough ....... yeah you can buy and eat for so long and then you like to increase your level of self-suffiency .... with the incredible athletic standard we should have ample energy to garden well ....... on VIK ...... I liked his book that he wrote 20 years ago ..... had some really great points and set me on the path ...... I haven't really heard what he advocates these days besides your grizzles against him ....... but cutting him down for eating sprouts ????? they are raw they are vegan ..... and saying he is money hungry ..... well your consultation rates raise eyebrows too ....... anyway I love you for your good points of which there are many so I will focus on this instead of digging any dirt ......... over .......

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on February 20, 2011 at 8:44pm

*Hunzas are fit enough to do what they need to do.

*How to look after the planet? We start with vegan and then tell everyone about bananas/dates/jak as their staples. But we got a long way to go with people like Viktoras Kulvinskas saying "fruit based diets are dangerous and unhealthy!''

Thats my point, Viktoras is knocking the fruit crew and saying its dangerous and you need to eat animal products, cooked foods and enzymes. He pretends that Doug doesnt exist. Im happy for people to make a living helping people get healthy, I sure am. My grizzle is with fruit phobic crew selling people anorexic diets. I mean look at the people that eat like Viktoras recommends, they look like death warmed up. Emaciated, binge prone, fatigued and depressed.

Im grateful for people setting me and others on the path but that doesnt give em any right to come back and slap us with a broom and pretend like thats ok. Its like someone buying you a bicycle and then stealing your shoes. Does'nt make it acceptable behaviour in my book. If you write a book and KNOW people are following it and stuffing up as a result of them following a starvation plan and then people call you out about it and you ignore em/try and sue em, then that speaks of deceit and intent to harm IMHO.