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Permalink Reply by Simplicity on I disagree with your understanding of the effects of refined carbs.
Refined carbs spike the blood sugar because it has no fiber/roughage to slow the absorption of sugar flooding your pancreas.
Think of it like a fire, which represents your energy levels: when you eat refined carbs, you toss twiggy tinder sticks that cause a giant burst of flame before dying out very quickly. Then you eat more simple carbs which creates this yo-yo effect on energy. Fruit, on the other hand, has both fiber and sugar: the fiber serves as a slow-burning fuel like cherry wood (helps sustain the fire at an even burn for longer) and the sugar is the tinderwood that helps to start the fire immediately.
As for fat affecting the pancreas's ability to absorb sugar efficiently, I've heard Dr. Graham say this as the reason for yeast infections on a high-fat, low-sugar diet, but I'd like some medical sources. Anyone have some? I'm sure they're out there...
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on Refined carbs do. Starchy carbs do. Salty refined carbs do. Fatty refined carbs do.
The carbs in RAW fruits do not. They are simple sugar carbohydrates that are utilized by every cell in our bodies and necessary to our body, mind, emotional composure and brain function.
You'll hear the term around here "carb starved" or "carb derficient" we are talking about simple carbs from sugar in raw fruit.
The public is carb-starved, nutrtionally deficient and brain-washed by the PHood manufacturers who poison the consumers with dead phood, toxic chemicals, pesticides, gmo's, etc. They do not want anyone to wake up and know the truth.
Permalink Reply by gloria sepulveda on I want to add to this because for my own personal experience its been true. I was carb -starved. I ate about 1200-3000 calories of high fat crap my whole life and at the beginning of this yr I decided to switch and go Raw/Vegan..( sometimes cooked ) but no dairy-meat..since Jan I've lost 50 pounds eating the same amount of calories but all from natural foods..( mostly simple carbs including juicing) and I can admit not all carbs are the same and they do NOT make you fat..I truly have witnessed this myself..Also I maintained the same amount of calories but more 2000-3000 of just whole foods and the fat has just melted off me..I really think many have been brainwashed into believing carbs are bad..I run soo much more better on simple carbs..my energy level is amazing..I feel vibrant and I look it..I even feel more emotionally balance and sleep far more better at night :)
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on Gloria, kudos to you gal! Way to go!
I always had fantastic results with raw. I went back to what works last November and have lost 65 lbs and 22% off my body fat %.
Congratulations and keep carbing up! We are doing it and winning.
Permalink Reply by Akincana Krishna das on "Refined carbs do. Starchy carbs do."
This has always been my question... If I ate a low fat diet (under 10% of cals) but ate lots of refined carbs like bread and pasta, would I get fat? What if I ate lots of refined sugar, but low fat, would I get fat?
Also, what "starchy" carbs are you talking about? If I eat a low-fat diet and eat steamed potatoes or other starchy veggies, do I get fat?
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on Akinana, Let's simplify the answer, shall we? FRUIT DOESN'T MAKE YOU FAT.
Permalink Reply by Akincana Krishna das on that's a given, i agree, but it's not my question.
Durianrider and Dr McDougal both say starch, like rice, potato, beans, corn, etc. will never make you fat... sounds right to me!
how about refined flour and refined sugar? THAT is my question.
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on As long as your are eating cooked starchs PLAIN they won't make you fat. BUT they are tastless. Why eat them??? Survival perhaps. I'd prefer nutrient-dense raw frugies. Any cooked food has the danger, to many, to lead to other cooked phood items and that is the danger. That is when cooked starches are fatening.
As to flour and refined sugar....of course!!! They are nutrient devoid and your body goes into starvation mode/cravings/and wants more, more more.
Permalink Reply by Akincana Krishna das on Again - fruit is best, fruit is best, fruit is best. I'm not confused about that.
Ok, so my body goes into starvation mode and I want more, more, more. Will I get fat because I ate flour and sugar? Or will I get fat not from flour and sugar but because I went into starvation mode, and binged on high-fat foods (phoods)?
Maybe I went into starvation mode from a bag of white sugar, but then had the good sense to binge on fruits. Will the white sugar make me fat?
Also, it's ok to say "I don't know."
Permalink Reply by Simplicity on If you ate refined sugar, I'd argue that you would overeat because your body doesn't have sufficient nutrients. Bread and pasta do not contain all of the vitamins and minerals you need, so your body would say, "hey, keep putting stuff in your mouth so I can get those much-needed nutrients." Until you eat nutrient-dense food, your body won't tell you to stop eating.
Permalink Reply by Simplicity on Here's the problem--everything is broken down into a simple carbohydrate at the end of the day. Everything you eat is ultimately converted into a simple sugar molecule for your body to process.
I had this argument with my nutrition professor who claimed "the body NEEDS complex carbohydrates from whole grains."
I asked her, "but complex carbs are ultimately broken down into glucose molecules, right?"
Her: "Yes."
Me: "Aren't simple carbs more easily converted into glucose molecules based on their more basic structure?"
Her: "Yes, but simple refined carbs don't contain as many nutrients like fiber."
Me: "But ultimately, both simple (even refined) and complex carbs get turned into glucose, right?"
Her: "Yes."
So the point I'd argue with you is that the body isn't carb-starved on a diet with an abundance of refined carbs. They're nutrient-deficient, in most cases, causing them to eat more foods as the body does a "search mission" for the nutrient it needs.
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