Hey all, I just have a quick question.
I was reading the 80/10/10 again a little while ago, looking for some tidbits, and came across Doug's recommendations for caloric intake. Basically, calories in/calories out kind of deal, like all the other scientists eventually boil it down to. So, a person who's 180 pounds has a BMR of 1800 calories plus activity. If that person is sedentary, then the total intake should be 1800-2200, depending on activity/job, etc of course. Sure, if that person exercises 3 times a week, the caloric intake for those days goes up.
However, all the info I get from 30BAD seems to indicate at least 3000 calories, no matter what. This appears to contradict what Doug Graham is saying.
So, I just want to know what exactly the deal is. Has he revised himself since writing my version of the book? Is it a difference in opinion/philosophy, or what?
It would be great to know. I've been doing pretty much nothing for the past few days and packing in around 3000-3500 calories per day with a BMR of 1800, so I want to get my info straight.
Dr. Graham said that, when he's counted his intake, it's averaged to about 1.1 million calories a year. That's 3,014 calories a day.
I might be wrong on the number, could have been 1.2 million, but I'm pretty sure it's right. (I don't remember where I read it; I think it was on vegsource)
Thanks everybody for the clarification.
I was mainly basing the confusion on some of Harley's videos - emphasizing 3000 calories a day no matter what. I'm sitting here in my cabin surrounded by 5 feet of snow with no skis or snow shoes, bouncing off the walls and doing jumping jacks trying to use all this extra energy and it isn't exactly happening at the moment, so I'm left with a constant dull headache. My guess is that I should probably lower my intake for now, until I have the time/space/place to use the energy.
durianrider cites ancel key's starvation study and other studies which show the calorie model to be accurate - so i doubt he is suggesting that calories don't count. calories always count in a controlled environment under scientific study - despite "slow metabolism", "thyroid issues", etc.
sure, some have faster metabolisms and burn more than others - but if you eat more than you personally utilize you will store it - conversely for hypocaloric.
the good news is, eat enough fruit and your vitality is renewed and you can't help but get active - with a smile on your face!
When in doubt, just follow the 80/10/10 book.
This interview with Dr G http://www.inspirawtion.com/Douglas-Graham.html says on average he eats around 3500 cals and exercises an hour a day....
Here are the 30BaD guidelines on calories:
* We recommend womyn eat at least 2500 calories from fruits daily and men get at least 3000 calories and more if one wants to live an active, passionate lifestyle. We will not tolerate what we deem as "anti-fruit" posts or advice that recommends calorie restriction/or the suggestion that others are "overeating on fruit"
They are not following 811 at that point. I have not seen long-term fruitarians succeed, and have seen huge numbers of them fail (and too many die) over the almost four decades since I first started my dietary journey. My thoughts? DON'T do it. And certainly don't associate fruitarianism with 80/10/10. In my book, I recommend eating 2 to 6% of calories from green, leafy vegetables. This amounts to 40 to 120 calories for a person eating 2,000 calories (which, by the way, is very unlikely to be enough food for a person doing enough physical activity to be healthy). Forty calories is roughly a medium-sized head of lettuce. That is the absolute minimum I would suggest, and two to three times that is far more likely to provide adequate nutrition. People who eat more than 2,000 calories should adjust accordingly.
The way 30BaD recommends calculating your bare minimum fuel needs is to multiply 10 times your weight in kilos to get carbs needed and multiply that by 4 to get your calorie needs. Then you need to add more for activity. So for a busy, active, fit, college student such as yourself, even a woman with a small frame would do well with a 2500 calorie minimum. Quitting something as major as smoking is another good reason to eat more calories. The adrenal kicks smoking gave you are no longer there and you will feel so much better being fully carbed up.
Lots of good reading here!
If someone is trying to lose 10-20lbs, would it make sense to use their goal weight instead of their current weight? So if I want to be closer to 140lbs, I'd convert that to kilos and do the calculation?
This is where there is a difference between what Dr. Doug recommends (to eat less than you need) and what Harley and Freelee recommend, go by your current weight, in order to lose. This video from Harley explains things nicely:
Thanks a bunch!
That´s a very good question and I think lots of people would like to know the answer as well.
From what I have understood (I have listened to Freelee´s and Durianrider´s videos and read A LOT from them), is that it doesn´t matter if you exercise or not. If you eat fruits, you won´t be fat ON THE LONG TERM, because the body processes the fruits differently. At first, you may put on some weight if you used to eat less calories than you do now, because the body needs some time to adjust. Your body will gradually get used to a very high amount of calories, and so basal metabolism will increase. It can take some time, 1 year or even more. But after a while, you will be able to eat a huge amount of calories from fruits, and be thin, no matter if you exercise or not. You won´t be fit that´s all.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF FREELEE OR HARLEY COULD COMMENT THIS POST AND TELL IF I HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT RIGHT!