So, I've had to start incorporating plain rice and potatoes into my diet because I went way overboard buying fruit last month. I've started doing some high-intensity exercise in the last week so it's not like I'm just sitting around with unrealistic expectations waiting for my food to work miracles, and I'm focusing more on getting fit than getting tiny, as I know that will happen in time as long as I continue to make healthy choices.
I wasn't restricting at all on eating fruit calories and wasn't experiencing any weight gain at all. But I wanted to know if calorie restriction becomes an issue as soon as cooked foods are introduced. Or is it only an issue if you're incorporating oils and condiments, etc, etc.?
I'm super on-board with the idea of "carbing up," but I feel like I have a lack of understanding as to why people following specific diets have to limit their intake of calories. For example, do McDougall-ites calorie restrict to maintain weight or lose weight? At what point of the cooked vegan game do you have to start worrying about how many calories you're consuming??
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Susan Powter (spelling?) wrote good books about weight loss/fitness in the 90's, and she advocated a low fat diet, but not even vegan. She was TOTALLY against calorie restriction. I think she said she ate like 4,000 calories a day.
I don't think you should ever restrict low-fat calories from whole foods. You have to eat to be satisfied. When you start restricting calories, then you set yourself up for the rebound effect of binges to make up for the time you spent starving.
I think everyone should read Alison Andrew's book: Fat to Fabulous (though I think the title is terrible). It's linked on this site and you can read the first 40 pages free. It totally demolishes the idea of calorie restriction as a good idea to lose weight.
so there is a bit of a debate between Fuhrman and Mcdougall but Mcdougall doesn't say anything about restricting calories. He does say something about not eating breads and pastas and eating more green and yellow veggies.
I think if you are not including refined sugar, oils, condiments and salt you shouldn't need to restrict calories.
Cooked should only be a last resort in case of financial emergencies and or not enough ripe fruit.
Without worrying about weight loss, mixing two or more diets together, especially fruit and cooked foods, can cause detox problems.
However, if one has to add in cooked, then it should be fat free, as close to it natural form as possible, (ie steamed veggies, and without toxic additive such as salt and spices, and with as much fresh raw fare as possible.
This web site can help keep one on track health wise:
BTW, I meant to say that by keeping cooking to a minimum, whether that is the amount eaten or how it is processed, and the food fat free, then calorie restriction should not be necessary.
I'm cooked vegan right now (going to go raw in a couple weeks) and I never restrict. Minimum 3000calories a day regardless of whether or not I exercise and I haven't gained any weight at all!
We are still supporting a high carb, low fat, vegan diet here....just allowing for it to be cooked at times...that is the only difference.
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