In Dr. Graham's 80 10 10, it recommends that for a sedentary woman like myself at the moment, I would need 1,050 calories to maintain my weight (105 ish, 5'3"), plus another couple hundred calories for puttering about...This puts me at way under the 2,500 calories/day minimum that's recommended on this site! I know I'm not the first person with this confusion, but could someone clear this up?!
I think the reason many people insist on that recommendation is convenience. Now, if they actually worked up their way to cosinstently eating 2500 cals and tell me they feel horrible, I'll shut up :)
It's not that one recommendation invalidates the other one, they just take different approaches: one based on theory and the other one on experimental practice.
I can appreciate the theory versus practice comparison. I guess I will just have to do my own practice and prove it to myself! You are right in that theory does not always work in practice. Thanks for the advice.
The 811 book is a guideline yes. And, I believe that ednshell just quoted Dr. Graham as stating that active people need more calories.
Regarding our guidelines:
Keep in mind we are standing on the shoulders of giants and pioneers. People who are stepping out from the status quo of conventional medicine and dietary practices.
The longer we do and practice things, the more experience we get with what works. The 30BaD team has learned from personal experience and in feed back from members that a whole raw low fat fruit and leafy green based diet works, and for optimum results, 2500 calories for females and 3,000 for males. This is for optimum energy, physical and mental health, and digestion.
We want to see our members thrive, not just survive.
Thanks for explaining. Of course we all want to thrive, not just survive.
Dr. Doug's quote above is saying that 2000 calories is very unlikely to be enough for anyone. Another PK who went to the festival heard him say that the 30BaD minimums are good in a talk he gave with Harley. Dr. D has stated many times on vegsource that the fact that his recipes are based on a 2000 calorie diet is not to be taken as a recommendation to eat 2000 calories, that people should eat according to their needs. I have read the 80/10/10 book and I see no conflict in calorie recommendations except that Doug says it's okay to work up to a healthy calorie range whereas 30BaD says to eat at least 2500 to begin with for women and 3000 for men, so that you feel super energized so much so that you feel that you have to move. Of course eating this much to begin with has multiple other benefits such as keeping cravings away, better mood, deeper sleep and more.
page 168 of The 80/10/10 Diet explains:
"To be abundantly clear, I would like to reiterate: Good nutrition literally hinges upon us being fit enough to be healthy."
"With the above in mind, I suggest that a healthy athletic person should utilize at least as many calories in physical endeavors as they use for their fasting BMR. This means for instance that a 150 pound man who uses 1,500 calories as his baseline should also use at least another 1,500 calories in his activities for the day, on average, for a total of 3,000 calories."
I get what you are saying. But, on page 169 of the 80 10 10 book, it states:
"Thus, a sedentary woman who weighs 130 pounds must eat about 1300 calories simply to maintain her weight. Let us suppose she needs another 260 calories to meet physical needs. This woman would need to eat food that supplies about 1,560 calories per day."
Then he goes on to give you a way to figure your BMR and add 20% for daily activity.For a 150 pound woman, this is 1500 BMR, plus 20% for physical needs = 1800 calories. Then on days of exercise would be 300- 600 calories more. This is straight from the book. OF course he states that you need to add more exercise eventually to be healthy. But, this was a guideline for less active people just starting out.
I do understand this sites reasoning and will try out the more calories than the book recommends. But, I do want to make the point that it is contradicting what the book says, if you read it.
aahhh totally! though i'm so grateful for the responses on this discussion...
Yes, I agree. I am very glad for all of the good discussion on here!
I believe Dr. Graham's recommendation for a sedentary female was 2000. Of course he recommends more for active people.
Based on years of personal experience and in dealing with what works for our members, the 30BaD team recommends 2500 calories minimum for females. If one exercises, has a job, family, goes to school, etc, eat more.
There are several reasons for this. Eating less than this leads to deficiencies of which one can track at cronometer.com. Deficiencies lead to the body having cravings, and then people tend to fall off the wagon and cheat with the nasties.
The feed back from our members points again and again to 2500 for females, 3000 for males.
Thanks for the information. Of course I understand that the goal is to make this a lifestyle. This means adding in more exercise, thus eating more and more calories as time goes on. That is certainly my goal. I just wish this site made it less confusing to beginners, by just stating that they don't agree with Dr. Graham on this one, instead of dodging the questions. We read the book, then we read on here and they don't coincide. I appreciate all of the information from those who have been doing this for awhile. I hope to be there myself in the future. I just hate to think of all the people who could have been helped by keeping at this diet and have quit, due to calorie confusion etc.
Dr. D in many youtube videos from his talks/lectures has said "Eat as much fruit AS YOU CARE FOR. Eat as many vegetables AS YOU CARE FOR." He seems to rarely (if ever!) bring up calorie recommendations or restriction (in terms of numbers). :)