Hi guys,
Forgive me if this is already answered somewhere. I am confused!
More than one "expert" has said that certain exercises are not as efficient at helping you with you fat loss goals than others. In fact some exercises may be slowing your fat loss. Like running. Why? Because running is an aerobic exercise which does not build muscle. You can actually BURN muscle. For people who run all the time, this just means that they are thin and don't carry too much extra muscle. For people who are over-fat, this increases your body fat percentage by DECREASING your muscle mass.
Also, the more muscle you have the higher your resting basal metabolism is and the more calories you can burn throughout the day without doing anything at all. If you were to kill that calorie-hungry muscle tissue, you are also lowering your metabolism and therefore you will get fatter.
So my big question- HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR BODY IS BURNING FOR FUEL (STORED FAT, GLYCOGEN, MUSCLE MASS)?
Most people like to think they are only burning fat when they are exercising, but I know that is not the case. How do you do exercises that burn what you want to burn??
Thank you for any input!!!!! Seriously this has been bugging me!
Tags: burn, fat, metabolism, muscle
Permalink Reply by Robert K on Running makes you fat and doesn't build muscle? That's an interesting theory, but if you look at runners they got some ripped legs(core usually too) and are skinny as heck. You will decrease your muscle mass from over training and not getting enough sleep.
Your body runs on glycogen for as long as possible and then once you run out it starts using fat. Muscle mass shouldn't be used as a fuel unless the person is severely under-eating and starving themselves. There is no point in burning what you want to burn, as if you just eat enough carbs, have fun and exercise, the fat will naturally come off. Trying to go into ketosis so your body runs on fat is a really bad idea as it has so many negative side effects that could literally be fatal.
Permalink Reply by Jocelyn Larsson on I agree with what you're saying. I just don't get this, "the fat just naturally comes off" thing. It doesn't just come off by itself. HOW does it come off if you're not burning it. I mean if you're constantly eating enough carbs to fuel yourself, wouldn't you just be using up the glycogen, not the stored fat? Doesn't that defeat the purpose if you're exercising to burn fat? Sorry if I'm being obnoxious! They are just questions, I'm really not trying to challenge you in any way. I've seen some of your replies on here and you seem like a very smart person.
Permalink Reply by Robert K on Don't worry about being obnoxious. Most people on here are carbed-up so they don't really take anything too personally so its no biggie. And for exercise, you'd run off of glycogen for sure. I'm guessing that your body regularly uses small amounts of fat daily as fuel (and probably a bit more during exercise). Since the fat you eat is the fat you wear, if you eat a low-fat diet, your body will not be receiving much fat and can therefore just go through the current fat stores. If you eat a high-fat diet I believe your body is still using some of that fat, just your intake of fat dietarily overtakes your body's use of it.
Permalink Reply by mczx on Again, see Phil Maffetone's work. Other authors have repeated his results as well, he has trained popular athletes. Start by working out consistently at a lower heart rate, watch your heart rate not your perceived exertion levels. Example rate calculations 180 minus your age and minus 5 if you have not been working out. For me that's 132, so my starting workout range is 122-132 bpm.
I have to tell you, for me working out at 122-132 is wonderful compared to tearing through the woods on my mountain bike, climbing hills and chasing the fastest guys. I bet I am in the 155-165 range! This heavy exercise burns glucose mainly where 122-132 for me is supposed to burn mainly fat.
Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on Running makes you obese for sure. Look at all the fastest marathoners and sprinters on earth. Really overweight people.
Best way to burn fat is eat heaps of grass fed butter and read primal books on the sofa.
Gary Taubes is right, 'cardio + carbs makes you fat' just look at me n Freelee and the Kenyan Corn fueled marathon squads.
Powerlifters from Bulgaria are the slimmest people on earth. They are the strongest. When you have as much muscle as them, you have a slender waist and fit into skinny jeans. The powerlifting women from East Bloc 8 are often found modelling the lu lu lemon wunder under pants.
stay away from dancing, stay away from sub 40 min 10k's, stay away from cycling up steep hills, stay away from stair way races, stay away from hiking in the woods. stay away from playing chasey with the kids. stay away from carbs. join a powerlifting club to get smaller. join a marathon squad to get bigger. join the ballet dance troop to get chunkier. ride up mountains to become more robust looking.
do a homer simpson and build the champion slim body.
Permalink Reply by Jocelyn Larsson on Haha, leave it to Durianrider to make me look like an idiot. :) I love you durianrider...
I'm not saying I believe it, I just wanted to know where that theory came from and any more to explain why it's been thought to be that way. I've heard lots of nutrition "experts" (notice the quotes) make comments on the fact that you should do HIIT (high intensity interval training) and not running, if you want to lose fat and gain muscle. They have referenced the person they see coming to the gym every week and who only runs, yet seems to be getting fatter. But the one who did HIIT (which you would think would make you bulky) was getting slim. It sounds silly, but hasn't anyone else heard this comparison being made?? Of course we have no idea what the rest of these two people's lifestyle was like, diet or otherwise. But this theory is floating around out there, I'm not making it up!
I think it's baloney, but whenever I think of going for a run it's always with me in the back of my mind. I was hoping to have this theory disproven to me with more specific facts.
Thanks guys, I love you!
Permalink Reply by mczx on Randy Raw says it below, fast and hard burns sugar, slow and steady burbs fat. Guys simply cannot be running 100 mile running races on carbs alone, there has to be some fat burning in there.
what training do you recommend to be fit on this lifestile? i really enjoy cardio and weight training, i am little bit addict(if i stop training i don't fell as strong, as confident ;)_) so i want to know if it really makes you fat.?
what training do you recommend to be fit on this lifestile? i really enjoy cardio and weight training, i am little bit addict(if i stop training i don't fell as strong, as confident ;)_) so i want to know if it really makes you fat.?
Permalink Reply by Randy Raw on Look at this, it seems to be a helpful study:
Also i can say about this kind of question:
1. To produce energy, the body does everytime use all of his energysources (Kreatin, Glycogen, and Fat)
2. But... To produce much energy with less needed oxigen in a short time, precedentet he takes the bigger part of Kreatin and Glycogen
3. For longer, less intensiv "cardio-style" training without doing peaks of muskleforce the mainpart of the energyrequirement will be defrayed from Fat and a more of oxigen trough your breathing
4. However, everytime the body is thrifty with his Glycogen-reserve because they are extremly important for a lot of bodyfunktions (have a look to this video whitch shos what hapened if body runs totally out of Sugar running out of carbs)
5. The experience shows that after a half hour of moderate training the most intensiv fat-burning state starts, from there, you can run as long you want and you will good burning fat, if you also have everytime enough sugar. Note here that you should run at an intensivity whitch lets you easy talk at the same time and you are in the optimal pulsrate from ca. 60%max
6. If you have enough other reserves or regulary adequate foodintake, and you dont overtrain, your body never takes muscles as energy, it is the last and the hardest way for the body to produce energy. But if you have much more muscle as he need, and you dont use them regulary, your body will degrade them to be more economic
7. At all, the more you move and the more you eat clean and enough, the more fast your body accommondates to your situations, and the more fast your metabolism works
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