Boycotting GITMR

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Permalink Reply by Bliss on December 10, 2009 at 1:30pm

I won't take this thread down because I think it is important that people don't go there. I went there for a long time trying to clear the air but was consistently abused. We need to stop being good samaritans going there and being abused, that simple. This is not to diss everyone there, nor do I ever imply everyone there is bad.

You sit there on your high horse and judge me, but you do not realize that you are displaying the same behaviour that you accuse me of, while my only goal is to warn people and provide support for those that feel they need to go there to clear things up.

Permalink Reply by sug@rlion on December 10, 2009 at 3:01pm

Let'm come here, I think the logical simplicity of this lifestyle is what I find interesting and it's why I stay tuned to 30 bad. Also, a little controversy is good, frankly it seems like the threads get a little dull when DR's not writing. We're not living on an 811 island so I think it's good to compare/contrast and evaluate others methods so we can gain perspective.

Permalink Reply by Eva on December 11, 2009 at 7:02am

Also, a little controversy is good, frankly it seems like the threads get a little dull when DR's not writing. We're not living on an 811 island so I think it's good to compare/contrast and evaluate others methods so we can gain perspective.

i agree.

Permalink Reply by RainEdayWoman on December 10, 2009 at 3:11pm

I very rarely go there because the bashing 811 and personal attacks in general it brings me down emotionally and does nothing to help me on my journey . I do visit from time to time just to browse and on occasion get an email update from the 811 group there that catches my attn. I have nothing against anyone who follows a different raw path. I find that even the gourmet recipes can be of benefit if only to peak interest of reluctant SADers. Thus opening the door to more conversation about raw foods. I find ppl are a bit more inclined to listen to the benefits of raw if you can get them to actually try something raw first without realizing it. Usually it goes something like this, "wow, I want the recipe for the (blah blah) you made." in which I reply sure it is really simple all you do is (insert recipe here, be sure to make the whole simple, no cooking no clean up involved a key point), which they usually reply something like, "Oh wow, so you are telling me you didn't have to cook anything." in which I reply with "that is the great thing about it and insert some simple benefits of raw foods (nutritional value and how much the kids like it). This way I am less likely to get negative responses from people or immediately shutting themselves down to he idea because they hear the word vegan/vegetarian. Let them try it without realizing first and when they enjoy it and want to learn more then reel them in. From there if they seem more interested I suggest this website and Doug Grahams book.

Permalink Reply by el-bo on December 10, 2009 at 6:30pm

You sit there on your high horse and judge me, but you do not realize that you are displaying the same behaviour that you accuse me of, while my only goal is to warn people and provide support for those that feel they need to go there to clear things up.

the horse i sit on is but a short pony.....and i aint judging

the mistake people make is to go over there to sort things out...you will meet with resistance if you go there telling them 811 is the only way...if you are preaching...think how far someone would get here if they started posting that raw animal foods are the only way

if you are being abused without reason then report it to dhrumil......but boycotting.....is it to the benefit of 811 to be so segregated?? is it to the benefit of all those who might benefit from 811??..... 9000 people over there...are they all abusive??? d'ya believe you're gonna see eye-to-eye with all of 'em......most of the folk over there are raw, and most vegan (or at least aspiring to be).....i would hazard a guess that you are making judgements based on a vocal minority and doing so from the tallest of horses

there really is nothing to clear up.....having been there for a couple of years, there used to be no real ill feeling towards 811...some people didn't believe it to be a great idea and some had had bad experiences...the current climate is absolutely as a reaction to harleys actions there , and subsequent others going over on various offenses

if you are telling people there is only one true way to health you'll find the flipside of that coin is that you are telling people that what they are currently doing is wrong...it's not the way to go about doing anything, at least not if you are trying to be friendly with folk and help those who are still searching for more avenues

anyway, i'm not levelling this all at you, bliss...but i do believe that rallying everyone behind a boycott
is just fueling the fire, cementing the image of 811 being for radical, militant nut-jobs

if you go there without a agenda you might find yourself with quite a nice bunch of friends

just sayin'

Permalink Reply by Bliss on December 11, 2009 at 4:09am

el-bo, didn't think you were judging me. I never went there with an agenda actually, just to get to know people and new stuff. I am not a natural hygienist, nor am I fanatical about my way. I honestly have no bad feelings towards you or anyone there on GITMR, but the abuse is so bad, people must be protected.

Permalink Reply by Marte on December 10, 2009 at 6:54pm

I left a month ago, just because it was not giving me anything to be there. There are so many confused people out there, and I really don't have time for people who are hesitant to change. Props to the people who go over there and are nice and informative.

Permalink Reply by RainEdayWoman on December 10, 2009 at 7:46pm

The initial controversy is what brought me here and opened my eyes to 811. I had been seeing so many negative things about 811 and how horrible 811 followers were. I was also reading all the terrible things about Harley and how he was banned, etc etc. Similar with Freelee. Frankly I got curious and ventured over here once I saw someone post about this place. I understand when some say Harley comes across harsh when reading some of his comments because in the beginning I thought he seemed rather rude and judgmental. But, those judgements came from all the mumbo jumbo I was hearing from other people on GITMR. It automatically made me read his post with a sense of aggression behind the words. When I started reading through here though, I quickly realized that the people here were so much nicer and helpful than what I had become accustom to over there. Once I came to that realization and saw some videos over on YouTube of Harley speaking; I quickly realized that yes when reading his comments they can be misinterpreted but in reality after hearing t him speak he is not being rude but just straight forward. I did not sense any rudeness or self righteousness at all in fact he came across as straight forward, happy and respectful. The same with Freelee. I immediately posted apologies to both of them stating how much I thank and respect them for putting up this forum because it has helped me so much. As much as I want to share and see the 811 message shared keep in mind that people do not liked being preached at. I think that is why so many start seeing vegans and vegetarians as a bad thing, an think of it as a religion of sorts and they want no part of it thinking we are all radical extremists. The best way to share with others is to be a living, breathing example and let them come to you because they see there is something different and good wanting to have a bit of that goodness to. At that point they are more receptive and will try follow your example because they want it too.

Permalink Reply by Bliss on December 11, 2009 at 10:02am

It seems to me like I started this discussion over a year ago, even though I guess it was only 6 months ago, and I forgot it existed till someone brought it out of the ethers recently..regardless, I am closing it as I think it isn't needed anymore. Everyone has different opinions, that's fine. How anyone can assume ill will from me in the above message perplexes me, as my intention is to protect people from being attacked. However, people will read into stuff what they want to read into stuff. I certainly have nothing against all GITMR peeps, and am friends with quite a few on facebook. I do have an issue with the mostly unsolicited and unmoderated personal attacks that used to go on there as per the writing of this thread. Some people are fine subjecting themselves to that, but I personally believe all psychic attacks should be avoided, but I'm just me, everyone has their path.

Wishing you all the best.

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