I believe that part of the natural pacing of life in a cold country like Canada, North & Eastern Europe, China etc. ask for a particular discipline regarding food. During the growing season and the harvest time one must produce lacto-fermentation, freeze fruits, store roots and apples, harvest seeds for sprouting, store nuts and grains. Know what I mean? Otherwise we are stuck to buy import and then we are facing another environmental problem.
Permalink Reply by Daniel Li Ox on I am a wanderer. I just came back from 5 years in Bali, before I was 3 years in Southern China. I don't think about moving ... I move all the time. But right now I am in Canada and this is what it is. There are fabulous means to live in harmony with nature everywhere on the globe I believe.
Permalink Reply by Diospyros on I do not necessarily agree this will cause any additional significant environmental problems. Especially raw vegans being 0.01% of the population. But for sure local food should be preferably grown
Permalink Reply by Daniel Li Ox on If all your food has to fly or be shipped to where you live, IT IS ENVIRONMENTALLY DAMAGING !
Permalink Reply by Windlord on Daniel, that's a diverse list you mention there. I'll lead off by stating that this forum, being 100% vegan oriented, in no way supports or allows the promotion of lacto-anything.
We're promote a high carb diet, from fresh fruit if at all possible. Grains and starchy roots are more emergency foods than staples. Nuts are cool if they agree with the eater, especially when they're as fresh as possible and properly harvested, in appropriate caloric amounts. Freezing fruit is certainly an option (I've got plenty of nans in my freezer myself), and far better than any we might by at standard grocers.
It is true that importing food isn't environmentally ideal. Yet for those who do elect to remain in colder climates for whatever reason, rather than relocate closer to where their ideal food is grown, imports remain our most viable option.
If we are to live at all, we can't entirely eliminate food production and transportation stress in such circumstances, we can only do our best. If maintaining our own health at a superior level via fruit means a bit more fruit transportation is involved, that's an acceptable exchange in this forum's view.
Now as far as making it a bit easier for those shivering up North (or way down South) this group may help assist: http://www.30bananasaday.com/group/811winterbootcamp
Permalink Reply by Daniel Li Ox on I actually learned the lacto-fermentation process in a raw food class. So you say that it is not possible to be raw vegan in a cold country unless you have your produce shipped by environmentally damaging transport.
Permalink Reply by Ian Bradbury on Could you explain to me a bit further why it is certainly environmentally damaging?
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Li Ox on Simply a matter of transport.
Permalink Reply by Ian Bradbury on I'd like to know more, do the trees that are growing the fruit that is being shipped not offset the carbon emissions?
Are you aware of the book Chill by Peter Taylor, a man who has spent his entire life advising on the climate, including to the UN. He highlights in the book the completely false assumptions that the climate models are constructed on. Whilst carbon dioxide certainly stores and emits sunlight, it is certainly not proven that this is affecting the climate the way we are told, there is still a huge debate.
I would have thought that if the entire world ate 811, it would be sustainable to transport.
Permalink Reply by PK on You are making good points here especially in regards to the fruit trees.
What do you think about the depletion of fossil fuels though? If not now, then in the coming future?
I do think we can do a lot better though. We should go back to more of the small town models where local communities would have small stores within walking distance. That way, one truck could transport the goods for hundreds of people rather than hundreds of cars driving to the local walmart.
This would also put cash back into the hands of main street and the small business owner instead of the top 1% fat cats:)
Peace, PK
Permalink Reply by Jeremy Whittemore on comes with living to far north, I live in the NW, and it's difficult to eat all raw fruit only from the NW, although possible.
Permalink Reply by PK on Where there is a will there is a way:
First, the positives of imports:
We are voting with our dollars to have whole fruits and leafy greens at our local stores. They in turn will set up their logistic supply chains to buy from farmers who are producing fruits n greens. This will have positive effects both at home locally, and abroad.
So for example, today, I am eating imported cherries from Chilli. What that does is promotes the growing of cherry trees in Chilli, and gives money to those farmers to continue healthier farming options, and discourages unhealthy farming practices such as animal and grain products. Grain crops contribute to erosion of top soil.
Trees and their roots help hold down topsoil, and to keep it down it times like floods and typhoons. Trees do not contribute to the co2 problem, and may actually draw it out of the air.
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A short term local solution:
I recently had the privilege to travel to Canada in the Toronto region. I was impressed by the farms and orchards that had acres and acres of greenhouses. I wish I had taken my own photos of that, but these are some examples I googled:
I love this second picture, because it shows that with a very small amount of land, and with a green house, many more greens can be grown in an upward fashion.
Now I know greenhouses if not managed properly can be an emissions problem on their own, but hopefully in the future, it can be worked out for example instead of climate controls, to use windows to allow natural heating and or air condition.
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Long term plans might be to educate people to practice responsible procreation and bring our population's numbers back to healthy symbioses with nature, and to promote people shifting to warmer climates, not necessarily the tropics, but just a withdrawal from northern climates where optimum food cannot be grown, and or not enough sunlight which can cause vitamin D problems and depression in people.
Peace, PK
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