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I've been on and off RT4 for around 2 years. I tried the Potato diet (lasted not even a day), the Starch Solution (I gained so much weight on this, but I was also still "smashing in the carbs"), and I've tried raw vegan (2 days, guys...2 days...).
I decided to go back to RT4 in the fall of 2016, but instead of eating "unlimited calories", I ate until I was satisfied, I focused more Vegetables, and since March 2017 I've given up on white potatoes, rice, soy products, pasta, and bread. And I don't eat any salt, sugar, or oil.
I lost 30 pounds and hit a plateau. I started to see a nutritionist at the request of my parents and friends due to my weight loss being a bit too rapid for them. I came face to face with my problems: (1) I feared fat, (2) I was not eating balanced, (3) I was a horrible ambassador for veganism.
I upped my fat intake to 15% a day by incorporating 2-3 tbsp cashew butter and/or tahini a day. Then, my nutritionist got me to eat a cup of oatmeal for breakfast every morning instead of four large apples. Then, she got me to eat a mixed salad (greens, tomatoes, carrots, cucumber) with a dressing (1 tbsp out of my daily 2-3 tbsp mixed with water or fig balsamic vinegar) instead of 6 large carrots for lunch. Then, she got me to buy an avocado. It took me a week until I finally got the courage to eat 1/2 of it with my dinner salad. I was hyperventilating and about to cry before I realized that I wouldn't blow up to 200 lbs. Finally, she confronted me about my pureness.
"How much protein do you eat?"
Me: (stammering for 2 minutes) "..."
"Do you eat beans?"
Me: "Like, once or twice a week..."
"So where does your protein come from?"
Me: plants. (What a stupid answer. What plants was I eating that had protein? I never ate beans, I hardly ate enough greens to get me enough...)
"You need to start using protein powder to supplement yourself." (Then she scolded me for a good 5 minutes, which I really needed)
Me: "I just want to get it from whole food sources..."
"But you're not. So, please go try it for a month and come back and tell me how you feel."

To sum this up...
I am now a semi-normal vegan. No label. No RT4, HCLF, 80/10/10, 9/5/5.
I eat oatmeal for breakfast. I eat nuts/seeds and their butters. I use protein powder. And I feel so much better. I went from 150 lbs in the fall of 2016 to a 115 lbs as of now (June 2017). The thing is, This community of low-fat, smash in the carbs, unlimited calories advocates has glorified a part of veganism that shouldn't be glorified, which is the health part. You cannot avoid fat and be healthy. You cannot just eat and eat and eat because "fruit won't make you fat". Well, you can keep drinking smoothies with 7 bananas and 10 dates. Keep eating mono-meals, plates of oranges, bowls of white rice, whatever. But do tell, where is the protein? How many hours until your hungry again? Do you feel good sitting there with a food baby every night? When was the last time you had your period?
Maybe it works for you. Good for you then. I don't mean to bash...I was gullible, too. I thought I was healthy. Thin hair, dry skin, no period...
I couldn't even see it. Now I'm a "normal" vegan, I guess. I just eat what my body wants me to eat. I no longer eat a pound of dried figs every Sunday. I am balanced and happy and healthy:)
Good luck in your journey <3 Remember the animals in your search for good health. They don't care about the number on your scale or the purity of your food.

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Thank you for posting this.

Yeah it sounds like you really had an ED there.  Some people take theories or experiences of others way too seriously.  I always felt fine eating RT4 and I still do it for the most part, but adding more variety, beans, and not being afraid of fat has helped me more than it's hurt me.  I think eating whole food vegan is more important than eating loads of refined carbohydrates.  Refined foods are only beneficial for strenuous exercise.  On a regular day you're better off eating a variety of whole foods.  I've found that I do better when I don't force myself to eat loads early in the day, have beans daily, stop when I'm full, and don't stress about what exactly I'm eating.  That means eating out occasionally or having one or more avocados in one sitting or hummus is not a big deal.  It's more about what you a majority of the time and getting proper overall nutrition from a variety of foods.  As long as it's vegan it's fine.

What a bunch of !@#$%^&*. Sounds like you had an eating disorder of some kind, but that didn't happen because potatoes, or watermelon, or bananas lack protein. They are full of protein! Type in a full 2,000 calories of bananas or potatoes or watermelon for one day on any calorie-counting website and see how much protein you got that day, and fat too!

Maybe you have a fast metabolism and can get away with eating more fat, or maybe you weren't eating enough high-carb foods to sustain your weight. But plenty of us struggle to lose weight, even on a HCLF vegan diet. Our metabolisms are slow as sap. Eating more fat is a disaster for us. We MUST keep the fat very low to deal with our massive appetites and slow metabolisms. Otherwise, we WILL gain weight!


I personally enjoy eating beans occasionally, but it is not a requirement. I live on potatoes, bananas, and watermelon with some veggies thrown in. I get plenty of fat and protein without supplementing or adding anything extra like nasty oils.

Nutritionists are full of crap. You shouldn't need to take supplements for anything other than B12. Get your nutrients from your food! Not from the drug companies!

I know, I was a HCLF vegan for 2 years and couldn't lose any weight. But that was because I was eating too much pasta and fruit smoothies and potatoes. Also, you aren't getting enough fat from just vegetables, fruits, potatoes, etc. Our bodies need fat from nuts, seeds, avocados, etc. Our brain is made up of mostly fat. Our heart is a huge muscle, and when there isn't enough fat to use, our bodies start eating our muscles. I bet if I kept eating the way I was my heart would have started having problems. Do not demonize fat from those sources. It's food. Whole foods that are good for us. I agree with you about oil, as well as processed sugar and salt are bad. I do not take any drugs/supplements and get everything from my food (except my lovely little box of protein powder. Because complete protein...)
Again, if I was getting enough fat from eating HCLF, then I wouldn't have had dry skin or brittle hair. I was eating a ton of food, so you can't say it was because I wasn't eating enough. As soon as I started eating fat again, my skin glowed, my hair recovered, I lost weight...
My metabolism isn't super fast. I am running the same as before, so my exercise isn't what caused the weight loss. My metoblism hasn't increased.
If you think you MUST keep the fat VERY LOW, then do so. But don't keep fat out of the diet. 2 tbsp a day of chia seeds or 1/4 cup of walnuts a day is all you need to see improvements. You won't get fat. Geez, only pigging out on a jar of tahini wikl make you fat.

"Our bodies need fat from nuts, seeds, avocados, etc."

Wrong. You can get fat sources from these, but is it not required.

"except my lovely little box of protein powder. Because complete protein..."

You can get complete proteins from your food. Absolutely no reason to be eating someone else's magical-potion-science-experiment. People buy this crap because it's "trendy", not because they need it.

"Again, if I was getting enough fat from eating HCLF, then I wouldn't have had dry skin or brittle hair."

I've never had this problem in the 2 years I've been HCLF vegan. Thousands of other HCLF vegans have never had this problem. I have no way of knowing how much fat or calories you were eating to know what caused your issues. If you were under 5% fat or not getting enough calories, I would expect you to have problems.

"My metabolism isn't super fast."

How do you know? In comparison to my metabolism, yours could be a lot faster. I've observed some people, mainly males, can eat a lot more food (raw sugar, fruit juices, white rice) and still stay skinny. Whereas I have to eat all of my food in whole form. No smoothies, no fruit juices, and only brown rice, etc.

As far as your weight gain, I would definitely blame the fruit smoothies and pasta because that is more processed (aka not a whole food) and I can't eat unlimited amounts of that stuff either. But whole foods like potatoes should be very filling. They're safe.

Since someone clearly didn't plug in the foods I mentioned before, here are some results:

https://hclfvegan.neocities.org/watermelon.jpg

https://hclfvegan.neocities.org/potato.jpg

https://hclfvegan.neocities.org/banana.jpg

(the measure is set to 80/10/10 above in the pictures and measures how close you got to the goal.)

This is 2000calories per day if you wanted to mono-meal it. You get very, very close to 10% fat for the day just with mono-meals alone. You get plenty for 5%, which is the required minimum to remain healthy.

I've been HCLF vegan for 2 years and I have never turned to avocado or nuts to get any fat. My hair and nails are as shiny as ever. The second I eat any "overt fats", my skin gets oily and I break out in zits, I immediately get painful cramps, and my weight also shoots up quickly.

My potatoes, veggies, watermelons, bananas, fruits, pasta, beans, pizza crust, popcorn, etc all have tiny amounts of fat in them that add up over the course of the day. There's no reason to add any more fat on top of that.

I am so happy to hear that HCLF works for you and your body. That's awesome. I am sorry that eating fat makes you break out, get oily, gain weight, and get painful cramps. I would like you to consider one of the reasons I wrote this post: fat is not bad. You are part of a group that reacts to fat (physically) in a negative way. Maybe your body has been without it for so long that it's a shock to the system when you eat it? I'm not a nutritionist, so I don't know. Neither are you, though. There are plenty of unreliable people out there claiming this and that about food, and one person might say to eat fat-free while another says to eat fat because this and this reason. For ME, someone who couldn't eat fat without crying or thinking if I ate a walnut my skin would break out, my metobilsm would slow down and the number on the scale would inch up, taking the step towards seeing a nutritionist and allowing myself to introduce fat back into my diet was necessary. Fat in my mind was bad. You make it seem like fat is this horrible thing that will make your body turn against you. Our bodies know what to do with fat. If it means causing you to break out because the fat is making your hormones act out because they need the fat and are freaking out about the imbalance in your body, then your body will deal with it. I am sure the symptoms will go away. I broke out, too, when I started eating fat again. I had this one giant zit on my face that didn't go away for a month. I also was bloated for a week. Nothing in my diet changed but the 4 tbsp of nutbutter I was eating a day.
Also, I see you are new on here, but could you please not use cuss words to make a statement (from your first comment). Reread my first post: "Maybe it works for you. Good for you then." and I meant it. One thing won't work for everyone. But saying an avocado or nuts or seeds are not necessary or good for you isn't right. Fat helps with absorption of nutrients. Fat helps with hormones. Fat helps.
If it is vegan, that is all that should matter at the end of the day. But don't jeopardize health for the sake of HCLF and all that it preaches. Your health is great? Awesome. 1 in a hundred.. Slow metoblism compared to me? Maybe. We are different people with different lifestyles. Mono-meals? Great for digestion, but I think that's all it's good for.
I wrote this post to celebrate a step in my recovery and to ask people to reconsider their stance on fat. I hope you can help me celebrate this step as well.

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