B12: Sublinguals just as effective as injections

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on May 14, 2011 at 3:33pm

MIGHT be as effective. ;)

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Permalink Reply by Adam on May 14, 2011 at 7:55pm

I know you're joking around Harley, but seriously, are you wanting to be accurate or are you wanting to be right. Read the study. There is no might about it. They are at least AS effective, if not MORE effective than IM injections, according to this study.

 

Take care

 

Adam x

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Permalink Reply by John Mahoney on June 13, 2011 at 9:51pm

"Conclusions. The evidence derived from these limited studies suggests that 2000 µg doses of oral vitamin B₁₂ daily and 1000 µg doses initially daily and thereafter weekly and then monthly
"may be" as effective as intramuscular administration in obtaining short-term haematological and neurological responses in vitamin B₁₂-deficient patients."

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Permalink Reply by BigG. on May 14, 2011 at 3:42pm

Yes Dr. Libby was the formulator of this form of B12.

 

The idea came out of the way people used certain heart medications.

 

Interesting stories on how he came about this.

 

Cyno- cyanide

 

 

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Permalink Reply by ednshell on May 14, 2011 at 4:43pm

from the vegsource board, written by Dr. Doug Graham:

 

In Reply to: For Doug: About your B12 issue posted by Ian on May 11, 2011 at 7:04 pm:

 

Yes, ridiculous extended extreme stress. The problem lasted for 3 years, through 4 doctors who missed it, before I figured it out.
I took sublingual B12 for a month. This was almost 15 years ago. I did not get tested. 
Symptoms began to diminish in 12 hours of taking the first tab, and continued to fade daily. 
I have not taken any since, but I did immediately get rid of 5 of the major sources of the stress.
I had legal, financial, emotional, and physical stresses accumulating that were each extreme on their own. I have written about this in detail in the past.

 

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Permalink Reply by BigG. on May 14, 2011 at 5:05pm

Ednshell,

 

Thanks and this coming from the kingpin of the low fat raw scene.

 

Stress is a big factor in absorption for sure.

 

It also seems a bit more natural if you need it.

 

Take Care,

 

 

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Permalink Reply by ednshell on May 14, 2011 at 5:28pm

ya, I thought that was pretty interesting.  I have been under super stress like that, I remember taking a magazine quiz on stress.  Triple points for moving to a new home, someone close to you passing away, being involved in a law suit, having a new baby, a new job, a health issue, someone close to you with a major health issue and and a few other things, all of which I was experiencing, lol.  I knew nothing of b12 at that time and wonder what kind of damage I may have done to my nerves.  Dr. D pulled through okay, so I guess I'm fine, I did eat pretty well during that time, home grown organic, so maybe that helped.  I don't think I'd do the needle unless I was really bad off and had no other means.  Bypassing the body's natural defenses sounds like an unnecessary risk plus I just don't like needles.  I've taken b12 for a few months now and have not noticed any benefit so I guess I must be fine for b12.  I've never had digestive issues, I'm sure that helps my case.

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Permalink Reply by DURIANRIDER on May 14, 2011 at 5:44pm

I reckon both Doug & Roz should get on the shots as its not like they are on easy street raising a fruity youngster in a burger king world! lol!

 

More stress needs more b12. Roll up that shirt and pop in the intramuscular 25gauge. :) 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Adam on May 14, 2011 at 6:46pm

More stress does = more B12. But increased B12 requirements does not = B12 deficiency. Doug and Rozi eat lots of their food fresh from the garden, as they have a massive allotment. Hence they might be doing just fine. You seem to have this deluded idea that most of the world are B12 deficient because they have low intrinsic factor.

 

The reality is that most people who have B12 deficiency will do so either because:

 

1) They undereat

2) They eat WAY too much protein. Too much protein = too much homocysteine.

3) They are low in other nutrients, like B9

4) They are drinking lots of caffeine

5) They are smoking cigarettes regularly

6) They are drinking alcohol regularly

7) They are eating almost exclusively refined sugars and junk food

8) They are under severe stress and unable to manage it.

 

Doug and Rozi do have stress, but I don't think there is any evidence to say they are overwhelmed by it. Stress isn't necessarily determined by what happens to you but by how you manage internally.

 

Take care

 

Adam x

 

 

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Permalink Reply by sun on May 31, 2011 at 4:35am

EXCELLENT COMPREHENSIVE REPLY   EXCELLENT   BRAVO!

Stress and lack of support with do it...

using your own garden produce adn fruit helps as you can afford not to wash it .

in 45 years I have not had a problem..but it is serious for some (or at least they are told  !!)

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Permalink Reply by John Mahoney on June 13, 2011 at 10:06pm

Interesting stuff, Adam.
I find the mechanics of it quite intriguing.

This is what I wonder about:

IF

"More stress does = more B12. But increased B12 requirements does not = B12 deficiency".

Then:

If no extra B12 was supplied to the overstressed person and and their increased B12 requirements were not met...

Would it not ultimately lead to deficiency since the demand is greater than the supply?

Provided that the demand was a constant?

 

If so then increase B12 requirements unmet do in fact lead to deficiency.

Any thoughts on this anybody?

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Permalink Reply by GuavaGirl on May 16, 2011 at 5:54am

Do you know where he wrote about this? I'd be interested in how one would "immediately" get rid of financial, emotional, and physical sources of stress.

It's one thing to get rid of stress, it's a completely different thing to get rid of the sources.

 

 

peace

 Guava

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