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I am now 95% sure that my almost 5 year old son has Aspergers. I know a vegan diet can help (looking back to when we went vegan 2.5 years ago, I can see the proof). Do any of you have experience with aspergers and raw?

 

If he is eating grapes and gets a tiny seed or hard part like part of the stem didn't come out, etc. He will be done with grapes for days to weeks. Will not touch even just one more.

He no longer has smoothies, because of the strawberry and raspberry seeds.

If a banana has a slightly brown spot anywhere, forget about it. Etc.

 

Experience and tips appreciated! I'm really wondering how much difference it could make from vegan to raw.

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Maybe he is low in sugar, and that makes him more picky?

Have you tried a banana and date smoothie? Then you can put really ripe bananas in it.. My kids love the banana and date smoothie. :-) My 3 year old is picky too, and she wouldn`t taste the banana date smoothie first, because it turned brown. But after her  older sister drank it and loved it, she tried it too. So maybe serve it in someting so he don`t see the colour of it..

You could also strain the smoothie with strawberrys and raspberrys through a strainer with a very fine mesh. Then the seed problem is fixed.

Do you think he is a little bit low in sugar?

I don't know if he is low in sugar, just that he is sensitive to textures and such. I was thinking I could juice the berries to avoid the seeds, but he won't even try the smoothies anymore because he's afraid of the texture.

Sounds like he may have a sensory processing disorder. I would think going raw would help as it has helped people with schizophrenia (see Victoria Everett) and some with bi-polar as well. Occupational therapy also might help.

Hi there~

Several years ago I read the book, Raw Kids. The author transitioned her son to a raw vegan diet to help with his ADD.

I'm a nanny, and I don't believe in picky kids. If you're making the food, then they should eat it. My options as a kid were "take it or leave it." I don't want to sound harsh, but I'm just telling it like it is. Picky eaters are a sign that parents are letting their kids take control. I have absolutely NO issue with healthy eating and obedience with the 3.5 year old that I work with, despite the fact that I'm with him less than half the time. His parents are amazed.

I remember when I was a nanny I never heard the kids say 'no' to me.  It's different with parenthood and it's more intense with high needs kids.  I don't really think you have the experience to advise  here...

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Shannon, no disrespect, but your comment shows that you are not aware of the nature of the problem.  Children with Aspbergers are different than neuro-typical children.  The sensory input that they receive from the world can be so intense and overwhelming and painful that they are completely unable to behave normally when they are experiencing it.  My friend's child has Aspbergers.  For a long period of time he was completely unable to wear clothing.  Any clothing at all.  He would fly into uncontrollable fits where he was completely inconsolable and violent at feeling any fabric touch his skin.  He had to get extensive occupational therapy and other therapies before he could wear clothing.  It took a year.

Her son is not getting a "crazy idea in his head" and trying to manipulate her.  He has an intense sensory experience, like getting poked with a grape stem, and he is so overwhelmed that he immediately goes to the strategy of avoiding grapes entirely.  Imagine someone grating their nails on a chalkboard and the feeling of revulsion and overwhelm you get hearing that sound.  Now multiply that by 10 or even 100, and you are getting to the feeling they have when the texture of something gets to them.  They then get fearful that this will happen again--which is why they don't trust the smoothie, even if you tell them you strained the seeds out.  Many of these kids have mild to severe OCD as a feature of their disorder, which compounds the problem.

Yes, diet is a big deal and affects these children in a major way, but because of their sensitivities, they are the hardest children to work with on dietary changes.  One of the biggest things is texture in the mouth.  I had another friend whose son had autism who ate only hot dogs and plain noodles for a full year.  He would not eat anything else.  He would starve himself for days if she did not provide those foods.  He now eats some other things, including some fruit, but it took tons of work with him.

Sounds like Patricia's son's case is not as severe.  Probably the vegan diet is helping a lot.  I would encourage you to look at non-dietary things that could support his nervous system development, as this will help rewire the brain so it is not so overly sensitive.  Check into the Anat Baniel Method online.  My friend whose son couldn't wear clothing has gotten some help from an auditory listening system in addition to occupational therapy.  All of these interventions can be highly expensive, though.  I don't know where you live but my friend lives in Washington State and she gets some $ from the state for educational materials for him.

My oldest son has a lot of issues, and could be on the spectrum.  I have bumbled through parenting, and can't claim a lot of expertise.  I have learned to buy him a lot of the fruits he WILL eat and not try to force the things he won't.  The more controlling and forceful I try to be, the worse his resistance.  I try to approach this more as a team effort and he is more receptive.  I empathize with his experience of sensitivity rather than belittling him but also encourage him to try things periodically to see if he can tolerate them.  After a long banana strike, he will now eat them if they are firm and not squishy at all.  He used to love dates, but won't touch them now.  He eats grapefruit and oranges.  He eats apples, but not if they are even a tiny bit mushy.  He eats plain romaine lettuce and occasionally a bit of cucumber.  He likes carrots.  He is a compulsive eater and gets his hands on a lot of junk even though I do not have it in the house ever.  But a lot of his friends from school do not eat a vegetable unless you count the tablespoon of sauce on their pizza.  His best friend eats zero fruit.  Ever.  His main food groups are pizza, McDonalds and potato chips.  So, I could be doing worse...

Keep the faith.  Keep experimenting and soon you'll be coaching other moms struggling with these issues.

Thank you so much. That is very helpful and I appreciate your support and understanding. My biggest fear right now is explaining the issues to people like my parents, who often watch the kids for me or even when we visit. They always brushed off his behaviors and tell me I do not discipline him enough, and it's really frustrating. We're still learning, and last night my husband and I watched Temple Grandin. It's not as severe, but we can definately note similarities. I think the difference is that we started noticing behaviors very young, and started "coaching" him on emotions etc by the time he turned two.

He has a difficult time with things like making choices, because too many options easily overwhelms him. So when it comes to even just picking out his clothes for school in the morning I have to narrow it down to two options, or choose for him. He was able to tell me that the reason he wasn't eating the lunch I packed for him is because he didn't know what to eat when, I was giving him about four options for each lunch break. So he'd sit there and not eat because he had too many choices. It's such a process.

See, you are already learning what causes his overloads and working with him on that.  And he is communicating with you.  Yes, it is such a process!!!  I would really encourage you to get some true support from people who understand.  My friend whose son wouldn't wear clothes is a Nonviolent Communication teacher and mediation coach.  I am in one of her support groups (an international group that meets by telephone) and it is awesome.  They don't really "get" my diet but it doesn't matter at all because of our base in compassionate communication.  She would have tons of support she could offer in the area of working with family who doesn't get it, because she has been through that!  Send me a personal message if you want contact details.

That is very interesting, thank you. :)

Wow thank you, this will be very helpful.

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