We will just call you a noob. :)
Write to Mark Sisson aka the primal diet guru and ask him why his programme requires a few thousand dollars worth of supplements each year like b12, zinc, protein, selenium, k2, d3 etc. Ask him why he bags a vegan diet. Ask him how fast his twin turbo Porsche GT3 goes after he put in the 20 000$ gear box.. ;)
If you are concerned about the banana industry then I hope you buy fair trade and organic. Sounds like you are and thats great. Even if you don't like bananas you should just buy organic and fair trade to help out that industry cos sounds like you are REALLY concerned. Me too.
OK, wait, hold your horses, time out...
Did someone REALLY just link a SECRETSOFLONGEVITY video on 30BananasADay.com?
That pale parents'-basement-dwelling dude who promotes animal products, and is in his early 20s and claims to be a longevity expert?
That creepy guy who hounds high-carbers around youtube posting aggressive, insulting replies to their informative comments?
Please, don't defile our beautiful community with such garbage.
See Mike Berners-Lee's book "How Bad Are Bananas?" 70 bananas shipped from across the world have the same carbon footprint as one 7oz steak. Pale-faced SecretsOfVitaminDDeficiency is full of s***.
Are we considering the possibility that this member is a troll?
New I'd say. I posted the welcome wagon tour link on her page. Sure those types of questions can be trollish, but also a lot of people wonder about that sort of thing, especially when starting.
considering that i was sent a message by this person, directing me to some other site that quite frankly really turned me off internet forums entirely, and made me question partaking of this community as well, um, yes, consider it considered. it wasn't an encouraging to a newcomer to 80-10-10 note... i get the whole, offering another perspective thing... i just dislike the negativity of it all
I'm unfamiliar with "SECRETSOFLONGEVITY"... I just want to make sure my diet is sustainable. If this thread bothers you guys that much I can delete it if you want. I'm honestly just asking questions.
It's not your fault. It's just the guy that posted those videos is not what you would call a "people person". When you mix that with his snide remarks towards anyone eating a vegan diet he generates a lot of dislike, and he's realllllly good at it. I think he's kind of a Daniel Vitalis parrot, except he kind of takes Daniel's info/ideas and passes them off as his own.
I eat a monstrous amount of bananas and I haven't gotten sick once since I started. Of course I eat a lot of greens, dates and melons too, but point is as a meat eater I got plenty of colds, flu's, sinus infections, ear infections, etc. Which SOL guy promotes as the savior diet, and the bananas that he says are killing us seems to be preventing all of those types of sickness. Again, bananas aren't the only thing I eat, but they are by and large where my calories come from.
If you are still afraid of bananas you can probably find a farmers market in your area to buy local fruit from. I live in Ohio and we have lots of melons right now. If that's not an option then just find another fruit. Bananas are great and convenient, but if you're stressing about it then just find another fruit and live off that.
Jamie, you've been here a month, you really think you have people "pegged" so quickly? I'm not trying to start a squabble with you, I just feel like that's not really terribly fair of you to say. I mean I am happy you are showing support for Aydrianna! I don't think she meant to be trollish with her post or anything, but having been here a little while, I've seen people come on and post things challenging the validity of 80/10/10 just to get a rise out of people, when the guidelines clearly state that's not what this place is about. There are other sites where people can go to hash out those sorts of things and yet without a sort of cohesiveness or unity of purpose, they can often just dissolve into so much noise.
GITMR was a great site when I first went raw back in 2009, it was full of people, vibrant in discussion and most people sort of were raw vegan there, there was no strict rule on it, it just kind of was and it was cool. Then there started being more paleo then, omni-whole-foods people, then fruit versus greens and nuts. It got real contentious, there were plenty of trolls from each camp.
Soon you could hardly get support there anymore. I mean you could post something on your heart and have 6 different people come and mock you or no one at all responding. That sort of thing is why we have the strict guidelines we do here. It's a very specific dietary style and we want people who are into it, to be able to come here and be safe to get support in it. It's not for debating if it is good or not, etc. We just assume that it is.
I think there is still plenty of room to explore though. It's fine for Aydriana to ask if they diet is sustainable. I think that most people following the lifestyle will say yes it is, especially as compared to SAD eating. But if posts become all about asking to defend the 80/10/10 diet or complaining about how unfair and nasty and cult-like this site is, well then that's outside the guidelines, not what the focus of this site is.
Some people like to have these kinds of discussions, that's fine it's a free world, but this isn't the place for those unless the site owners want to allow it, in which case it would be fine. If you read the guidelines and have some questions about those, you can always message Harley or Freelee directly and ask them about it.
In the end everyone on here needs to use their own noggin! I think there are some well thought out guidelines here that have worked very well for many people. But each person has to captain their own ship in the end. The results you get are under your control and you need to do whatever it is that works for you.
Well saying things like "It can just be something you call someone who questions the all mighty fruitarian wisdom." (emphasis mine) sure "feels" defensive to me also. It also "feels" like maybe you assume that people here at 30BAD are just gleefully waiting for some poor innocent poster to post the wrong thing and then "wham!" we get to be patronizing and mean to them. That's how that sort of wording you used "feels" to me anyway, maybe I'm wrong, there is a lot of room for misunderstanding in the world of text.
But I do agree, sometimes in discussion here, people may also state things in a way that "feels" defensive. But I've been around here long enough to know that probably 95% of that comes from a desire to keep things "on target" here, to keep this a safe and helpful place. So this doesn't turn into yet another online place where the discussion breaks down into a free for all and then eventually fizzles out to nothing.
I'm very sorry if you have felt stuck and put upon when trying to get answers! :( That certianly is not the intention at all. But I would like to mention that it states in the guidelines very plainly, that this is not a forum for debating the benefits of the HCRV lifestyle, or debating the benefits of the guidelines for this site, etc. So as far as supporting a "free world microcosm" no that's not the case here, at least not where free-world crosses the guidelines. But there are so many other sites out there if you want to debate HCRV, or cooked versus raw, etc. And in fact, I think that if you dig around here a bit, some things you might think are verboten actually are discussed here, just in a very controlled way. Again, the reason for this is to keep this place "on track" to its stated purpose.
"Given that they both so passionately express their beliefs, I would think they would be wise enough to encourage others to ask questions. This gesture itself only strengthens understanding of their philosophy." Again, right or wrong, I am getting a "pegging" flavor here. They DO encourage people to ask questions! There are just guidelines about what we discuss here, what we do not and why.
Probably 95% of the arguments/discussions that I've seen along these (free speech) lines end up being pointless here. Not because we do not believe in free speech, but because we have, in the signup process and then again in the guidelines, things that explain why we don't hash this sort of "free speech" stuff out here. It's off topic and it's not helpful. In the end this is not a free speech forum, it is a HCRV support forum. It's not apologist, right or wrong,it assumes that HCRV is the best way to approach health and goes from there.
Like I mentioned before though, each person who signs up here should NEVER cede their health to others and should always remain the "captain of their own ship" what they will find here are things to help support them in the HCRV lifestyle and if it doesn't work out for them for whatever reason, they need to do whatever helps them have the best health possible.
But please do feel free to message Freelee or Harley directly if you really feel strongly about being able to debate/discuss anything that is currently off-limits in the guidelines or if there are things that seem to be in the grey area, that you would like to clear up. For example if you think you might be able to help them see how discussing anything currently off-topic (per the guidelines) would strengthen the message, I have always found them willing to listen, and think it would be a good idea for you to do!
Thanks very much for your participation and again, I think it's great that you were posting in support of others, that's good stuff! :)
...lol this guy.
Troll or incredibly stupid.