So for the past few weeks now if I eat fruit my stomach begins to gurgle and burn and then my back begins to spasm. This can last from 5 -30 minutes and it is really painful. As a result, because I really want to stick with 80/10/10 I have been eating lots of cooked veg and grain. please note, I was a month raw before the spasms started, so the grains couldn't be the problem, actually they're the only thing that soothes the pain which is why I am eating them. I don't eat any added fat at the moment.
My parents are really concerned (of course) and are desperate to send me to a dietican, which I am not happy about. They blame this lifestyle for the pain because I was 'healthy' before and didn't have all these problems (after my first week high in January from starting, I have become sleepier, more forgetful and am struggling with exercising, something I did religiously every day before)
I have tried eating celery and greens with my fruit to see if it helps, but it doesn't work. I want to cut out the grains, but i'm finding it so hard because they're the only thing not giving me pain while giving me the energy I need.
I really love the fruit lifestyle, but I fear eating fruit so much right now because of the back pain I get from eating it. And its not just one fruit doing it, it is every fruit!!!
Permalink Reply by Juliana on thanks for your link! would you suggest I take chromium or get a blood test first to see if I am deficient in it?
Permalink Reply by ORGANIC811LFRV on You wont hear me saying this too often but it sounds like there is an issue that a doctor needs to be advised about. Talk with a chiropractor first, then an MD. I've never heard of someone with this issue. I would guess it may be kidneys detoxing if it was lower back pain.
A simple thing to do right now is to buy some caster oil. Put a layer of it on a thick cotton wash cloth or towel. Lay that against the bare skin over the aflicted area. Put a hot water bottle over that. Lay down of course. Let it lay for at least 20 minutes. Call me in the morning. LOL This works! Do not do anything that agrivates it until this subsides. It probably doesn't have anything to do with fruit actually. I can't see how it could.
Permalink Reply by Juliana on I am seeing my chiropractor, I had a session on Friday and I have another one this week. She couldn't identify a causation really, just tight muscles, but she wants me to come back, continue what I am eating and see if the pain still stays. She was shocked of the lifestyle but is completley understanding and was inspired that I am trying something different to obtain good health.
I'll try the castor oil tip... thanks! I trust it will help in some way =)
Permalink Reply by Molly Locklove on I'm about 2 weeks on raw, and i got those pains when i haven't drunk enough water and i'm constipated. I've found that i don't react well to some fruits. So far my "unsafe" fruits are :
- apples
- pears
- kiwi
- oranges
- tangerines
- Bananas
Safe fruits i've found
- strawberries
- Watermelon
i'm still on week 2 and doing trials and errors.
Permalink Reply by Juliana on I found that datorade made it worse too, dates were alright... as long as I ate one every twenty minutes and thats kinda annoying. I usually wait half to one hour after I have drunk my water to drink so I don't think thats the issue.
I hope your pain goes away very soon =)
Permalink Reply by Juliana on i'm with you! my mum doesn't like this... nor does anyone else in my family, the only support I got (apart from everyone here) is my friend who just thinks its cool and was awesome when i bought 100 bananas yesterday at the markets, and the market store workers who are really impressed by it =)
I know what you mean, I don't get uncomfortable after starches anymore and it's strange, but I don't feel the same as I would with fruit, but it doesn't make too much of a difference because rice and veg is my last meal of the day. I try to push through the pain from the fruit for breakfast and lunch, i'm coping.... haha
by the way don't call it a 'binge'm that is unhealthy thinking. Grains are still healthy, just not as optimal as fruit or veg =)
Permalink Reply by Morgan on It is possible that you have some kind of allergy, so I don't want to discount that...
However, my husband and I have that when we eat gluten. It never fails.
So when you say you're eating grain... that's bread, right? Is it anything containing gluten?
If that is what you eat to 'soothe' the pain, what's going on (likely), is that your body is attempting to detox itself (possibly the kidneys, like Organic881lfrv said). What you're doing when you eat the grain is simply 'medicating' the pain and 'redosing' your body with whatever toxin or glutinous grain you may be eating.
I bet it's hard to get off bread (?). For many on here, that's what I've heard. Gluten is highly addictive to those with heavy metal toxicity. (which btw most of us are at least somewhat due to toxins in the environment. But some are heavily toxic .) Just saying.. B/c that's what me and the hub have experienced. If you've found it hard to get rid of the bread entirely from your diet and only do 8/1/1, I suspect you keep poisoning yourself w/ the bread.
I am not perfect on the diet, in the interest of full disclosure here. (I'm a newbie.) But I know when I'm on it fully (w/ the exception of having some balsamic and some olive oil on salad), I don't have back probs.. just when I eat bread or gluten of some sort.
Hope this helps somewhat. :)
Permalink Reply by Juliana on I actually was fructose intollerant when I was younger, so my mum thinks it might be returning, but I never experience this pain when I was younger. I kind of know the grains are probably making it worse, but when they are the only thing I can eat without going into hysteria its kinda hard to stop eating them =(
I've been eating rice as my grain source (did have bread last week but it made me gassy so stopped).
Permalink Reply by Juliana on hey thanks so much! you have been extremely helpful =) melons are out of season now so that won't be a problem and I probably splurge on dates once a month so not eating them also won't be difficult!
I bought 2 full bags of spinach yesterday for $4 on clearance, but its in good condition. I put 4 handfuls in a 10 banana smoothie this morning and I can notice a slight difference... good news!
thanks for the link again! I'll see how the supplement goes when i get it.
Permalink Reply by Bella V. on I'm a newbie, but I found that when I had these back pains (usually after oranges for me) it had to do with the relation of magnesium I was getting. I also had these spasms and back cramps/pains when we run low on fruit, but especially bananas. Once we bought more I would be better. I have a high need for magnesium, so I take the Natural Calm. That will cut any spasm or cramps if I've eaten enough fruit (potassium) already. I'm sure if I ate more greens I'd do much better at my mg intake. We still have oats as a cold cereal and brown rice. Stopped eating whole wheat pasta, since I would get a headache anyway. It's not wrong to think of certain foods as bad if they are causing you problems right now. You can always include them again after you feel you are better. Oh, and make sure you're drinking enough water, to flush any residual toxins. Hope you are better soon!
Permalink Reply by Peter Csere on Ok, this isn't a serious issue, and it is fairly common (based on what I've heard). Don't go to an MD and certainly don't rub castor oil on your back. Also I would recommend against mineral supplements as they generally contain inorganic forms of minerals which are basically useless to the human body. If you need more minerals, eat more greens. If you must see anybody, see a NH counselor. Nearly everyone else will be useless because they know nothing about 811, they will tell you you need red meat or something. An MD will tell you that you need to cut down the sugar and eat more protein and a a naturopath will try to give you bovine adrenal gland extract or something outlandish.
-Don't let baby spinach be your staple for greens. It tastes yummy, but spinach, kale, and other dark greens contain high levels of oxalic acid which causes problems (such as inhibiting absorption of calcium and other minerals.) Stick to tender greens like various lettuces. Even if you cannot afford organic fruit, always get organic greens because they contain so many more minerals. Also try growing your own lettuces and use compost as your fertilizer.
I am currently experiencing what you describe whenever I eat a meal of dates. It is getting better. At first, I could eat 20 soaked barhi (6g each) dates and be in horrible pain for half an hour. Now I can eat 60 and I'm fine. It's the same thing with bananas - for a while I could eat maybe 5 or 10, now I can down 20 easily. Same with melons. I ate 3 canteloupes the other day for breakfast. I used to get melon belly after 1.
Here are some things I think that can help you, because when I don't follow these guidelines, I hurt:
-Drink water BEFORE meals, but at least half an hour before.
-Do NOT drink water after meals (except to rinse your mouth.) Wait at least an hour before drinking water.
-Avoid the blender! This means no smoothies, no datorade. If I eat a 10 banana smoothie I get the pain you are describing. If I eat 20 ripe bananas whole, I get no pain at all.
-Avoid juice!
-Don't mix fruits. Stay mono.
-Try eating soft, juicy fruits for breakfast and denser fruits for lunch. This is a basic natural hygiene principle. Of course, soft juicy fruits like citrus and melons are more expensive so I can't do this every day. But I feel much better when I have a watermelon for breakfast and bananas for lunch rather than bananas for both meals.
-Ease yourself into stuff! If you can't eat more than 10 soaked dates without pain, then simply eat 10, and the next day try eatin 11, etc etc etc.
-ALWAYS soak your dates for at least an hour! (Don't pit them before soaking unless you want nasty mushies that give you the gag reflex)
Others seem to imply this is common for SOME people, not all, and that it should go away within a couple months provided you are easy on yourself i.e. follow these guidelines.
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