Not my post, not to meant to start hate or anything just read it:
Let's discuss and share your comments.
This is one of the first places I've ever seen or heard vegans that were not nasty, angry, violent, people haters.
That is first reason that attracted me to 30bad.
I also like the unrealistic percentage of positive interaction, even when skirting the ideals of the forum. This type of group cannot be created and fabricated by mandating the behavior to be a certain way. It's really nice to experience.
Hey now, Rock.
Your interpretation of violent, angry, and the concept of hating our species may be taken out of context.
Being a vegan forum, you may sometimes come into contact with frustration due to what animals have to deal with in normal society. Keep in mind that the violence and anger are often practiced by the other side; the animal abusers. Though vegans can become angry, this anger stems from love for the creatures that are being abused.
You have misread my post...
I was saying that they are NOT that way here.
My 20 years experience with vegans other than this site have been brutal gang beatings, burning down million dollar buildings, putting animals ahead of children, and in general, really nasty personalities. I came to think of "them" as unhappy people that were not able to meet their own ideals, and were taking it out on the world. And possibly extreme newbies that still had the raging animal hormones wrecking their stability from not having cleansed. (I know that good English dictates that a sentence does not start with "And".)
I've been less meat than most "Vegans", as I've been meat and meat by-product free since '71.
My experience here (30 bad) with vegans has been positive, enjoyable and enlightening. I'm pleased.
Even "now" on the craigslist forums, some of the vegans are almost more intolerable than the trolls. I have not been disappointed by vegans on this site in the year+ I've been living here. I was not speaking figuratively, not likely taken out of context.
The post above was a positive post, complimenting all the people on this site and the moderators.
I'm very glad to here that you've genuinely been pleased with the people here on 30bad, especially coming with as much background as you've had with "vegans". Personally, I think that the term "vegan" goes so much deeper than simply eschewing meat and animal products. People who forget about the fact that people are just as important as animals (and vice versa, for the people who insist "they're just animals, I should be able to murder and eat them"), assaulting people, vandalism etc.
I've only been meat and animal product free since May 2010, vegetarian since February 2010, but I'm honored to be part of a community of wonderful people as I grow as a person on my vegan path.
So for any member of 30bad reading this: thank you!
So for any member of 30bad reading this: thank you!
well you're a member of this community too chris, so thank you too!
brutal gang beatings, burning down million dollar buildings, putting animals ahead of children, and in general, really nasty personalities.
what strange experiences you've had rock!
(can you give some specific examples possibly with valid references?
i think i'd like to make a database of these, because we are likely going to see more 'violent' activity as the movement gets larger and larger.)
i been vegan for 20+ years (and lacto-ovo for 18 before that) and with hardcore activists (human and animal rights) as well all over the world.
i haven't come across a single one who fits the rather peculiar descriptions you provide (though i'm sure some of them likely exist).
in fact, i have no problem with vegans shedding some of the 'peacey-weacey' image that they are stigmatized with. we're fighting battles on a daily basis with those who imprison, exploit, abuse and murder sentient beings.
there are many ways to get the job done and i'm all for 'extremism'.
I knew what you meant Rock,
I just wanted to state that not all vegans outside of 30BaD are violent crazies :)
Your experiences have been odd, though. I'm sorry that you had to experience this in the past!
I agree with Rock.
I can't say my personal experiences with vegans have been bad, because I'm a person who always look "deeper" into a person, and do not judge someone by the first impression/action. I know and understand where their possible violent/extreme actions come from.
BUT. I know that in general, the mainstream people don't do that. They hear the word 'vegan' and automatically associates it with either pot-smoking, confused hippies, or violent, angry and extreme people, that releases caged animals into the wild to die.
(I've been staying away from the word/label 'vegan' myself because of this)
Vegans have a bad reputaion, atleast in Scandinavia, from what I've seen. "Normal" people do not want to be associated with vegans, and I do think that this is stopping people from going towars a meat-free diet.
Their image is too important to them, what other people thinks matters more. Being a vegan is nothing to be proud of, in their eyes.
I see it all the time.
It's common in all groups of people though, as soon as a few individuals does something bad and/or extreme, the whole group gets blamed for being the same. Stereotypes... Prejudice...
Keep in mind that the violence and anger are often practiced by the other side; the animal abusers.
tarah, i find it fascinating that when paul watson rams a ship some people jump up and down accusing him of criminal activity, but when the seal killers slaughter the million+ sentient beings ... well ... that's just harvesting.
oppressors don't just stop.
they have to be stopped.
The argument is really whether destruction of property is violent or not. They fail with their reasoning that damaging property is violent. After all, they claim to own the creatures that they torture, making the animals their property. Seems to me that causing harm to animals is ok, but don't burn any buildings down...